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                        Mt. Holz Science Fiction Society
                    Club Notice - 04/20/90 -- Vol. 8, No. 42


       MEETINGS UPCOMING:

       Unless otherwise stated, all meetings are on Wednesdays at noon.
            LZ meetings are in LZ 2R-158.  MT meetings are in the cafeteria.

         _D_A_T_E                    _T_O_P_I_C

       05/09   LZ: Incarnations of Immortality Series, by Piers Anthony
                       (Mythology as Science)
       05/30   LZ: L. RON HUBBARD PRESENTS WRITERS OF THE FUTURE #5 (New authors)

         _D_A_T_E                    _E_X_T_E_R_N_A_L _M_E_E_T_I_N_G_S/_C_O_N_V_E_N_T_I_O_N_S/_E_T_C.

       04/21   NJSFS New Jersey Science Fiction Society: Josepha Sherman
                       (phone 201-432-5965 for details) (Saturday)
       05/12   Science Fiction Association of Bergen County: Joe De Vito (artist
                       with a slide show of his work) (changed from previous guest)
                       (phone 201-933-2724 for details) (Saturday)

       HO Chair:      John Jetzt     HO 1E-525   834-1563  hocpa!jetzt
       LZ Chair:      Rob Mitchell   LZ 1B-306   576-6106  mtuxo!jrrt
       MT Chair:      Mark Leeper    MT 3D-441   957-5619  mtgzx!leeper
       HO Librarian:  Tim Schroeder  HO 3D-225A  949-5866  homxa!tps
       LZ Librarian:  Lance Larsen   LZ 3L-312   576-3346  lzfme!lfl
       MT Librarian:  Evelyn Leeper  MT 1F-329   957-2070  mtgzy!ecl
       Factotum:      Evelyn Leeper  MT 1F-329   957-2070  mtgzy!ecl
       All material copyright by author unless otherwise noted.

       1.  I, for one, like to see people get  along  and  not  hate  each
       other.  Well, there may be a few of us like that around.  But worse
       than having everybody hate each other is having everybody love each
       other  as  they  do  in the publishing industry.  What's that?  You
       thought publishing is a cut-throat business?  Not at all.  You just
       have  to  look  at  the covers of a few books to realize what warm,
       loving people at least the authors are.

       A case  in  point  is  the  self-proclaimed  "Explosive  Nationwide
       Bestseller"  _F_l_i_g_h_t _o_f _t_h_e _O_l_d _D_o_g which Evelyn recently fished out
       of a wastebasket for me.  (Hey, can you beat the price?)   It  used
       to  be  that  there  were  only  a  couple  of Explosive Nationwide
       Bestsellers a year and everybody heard of them.  Now you see  sixty











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       or  seventy of them a year.  I guess people must be reading a whole
       lot more these days than they used  to,  which  comes  as  a  great
       relief  to those of us who thought that reading skills had gone the
       way of the quill pen.

       This book comes just covered with dried coffee and loving  reviews.
       On the cover W. Griffin, _b_e_s_t-_s_e_l_l_i_n_g author of the "Brotherhood of
       War" series,  calls  it  "A  SUPERBLY  CRAFTED  ADVENTURE."   Clive
       Cussler--who  I  have  been  told  writes  the  kind of novels that
       impress   Sylvester    Stallone--calls    it    "SUSPENSEFUL    AND
       SPELLBINDING."

       On the first inside page it raves: "DALE BROWN KEPT ME GLUED TO THE
       CHAIR,  TURNING  PAGES  AS  THE  AERIAL BATTLE ROSE TO A SHATTERING
       CLIMAX.  A TERRIFIC FLYING YARN"--Stephen Coonts, author of  _F_l_i_g_h_t
       _o_f  _t_h_e  _I_n_t_r_u_d_e_r.   Turn the page and it says: "DALE BROWN KEPT ME
       GLUED TO THE CHAIR, TURNING PAGES AS THE AERIAL BATTLE  ROSE  TO  A
       SHATTERING CLIMAX.  A TERRIFIC FLYING YARN"--Stephen Coonts, author
       of _F_l_i_g_h_t _o_f _t_h_e _I_n_t_r_u_d_e_r.  Do you ever get a feeling of  _d_e_j_a  _v_u?
       Do  you  ever  get  a  feeling  of  _d_e_j_a  _v_u?  On the back cover it
       enthuses:   "Terrific...   A  gripping  thriller...   A  shattering
       climax!"--Stephen  Coonts,  best-selling  author  of  _F_l_i_g_h_t _o_f _t_h_e
       _I_n_t_r_u_d_e_r.  They may use his review four or five more places in  the
       book; I haven't checked.

       But does all this praise go to Dale Brown's head?  No way.  Let  me
       tell you what a nice guy he is.  There is an ad for another book in
       the back, _A_m_b_u_s_h _a_t  _O_s_i_r_a_k  by  Herbert  Crowder.   And  a  quote:
       "Excellent!   Crowder skillfully blends a high-tech action story, a
       frighteningly realistic plot, and a fast-paced  espionage  thriller
       into  a   very  enjoyable book.  His technical know-how is right on
       the mark!"--Dale Brown, author of _F_l_i_g_h_t _o_f _t_h_e _O_l_d _D_o_g.

       Let's face it, these guys just love each other to death.  They also
       have  raves  from  all the big papers, such as the "Richmond Times-
       Dispatch,"  the  "Winston-Salem  Journal  (NC),"  and  the   "Macon
       Telegraph  and News (GA)."  I guess readers tend to know what state
       Richmond is in, but get confused when it comes to  places  such  as
       Winston-Salem  and  Macon.   Most  of these reviews also appear two
       different places on the book.  Does anybody know  if  these  papers
       publish  news?   Have you ever heard of them as publishing anything
       but rave book reviews?  I have often thought  that  the  edging  on
       books  is yellow because it is pollen.  That is all it takes to get
       a good review from the "Fresno Bee."

       Now you notice that you almost never see Classic  Coke  coming  out
       with  raves  printed  on the bottle like "Bracing...  Crisp...  The
       flavor we've all tried to capture for years."--Falcun  Schencterby,
       Chairman of the Board of Pepsi-Cola.  That would be more refreshing
       than anything  they  put  in  a  bottle.   But  there's  a  reason.
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       there that will buy all books like _F_l_i_g_h_t _o_f _t_h_e _O_l_d _D_o_g.  If these
       guys  felt  they  were competing with each other, then you'd really
       find out what they think of  each  other.   "Jeffrey  Broong  is  a
       piss-ant  author  who  learned  everything he knows reading my last
       novel whose plot he shamelessly plagerized.  If he were in the  Air
       Force  I'd  sell  my  savings  bonds  to  take  the Berlitz Russian
       language course."

       2. Regarding money and lawyers, Bruce Szablak has the following  to
       say:  "I  like  your  assessment  but I can't believe you got it so
       wrong (especially at this time of the year)!  But  you  are  close.
       Money  comes  from the government (the treasury) and returns to the
       government (thus the IRS).  A closed system.  However,  what  about
       the  conservation  of energy?  All our work can't leave the system,
       so where does it go?  The lawers suck it up! They are the economics
       analog  of  the  thermodynamic  concept  of  entropy!   (P.S.:  The
       inescapable conclusion is that at the end of the universe, everyone
       will be lawyers (entropy always increases)."


                                          Mark Leeper
                                          MT 3D-441 957-5619
                                           ...mtgzx!leeper



            In the war between falsehood and truth, falsehood
            always wins the first battle and truth the last.
                                          -- Sheikh Mujibur Rahman





































                          BLACK SNOW DAYS by Claudia O'Keefe
                        Ace, 1990, ISBN 0-441-00689-5, $3.95.
                          A book review by Evelyn C. Leeper
                           Copyright 1990 Evelyn C. Leeper



            This latest in the "Ace Science Fiction Specials" series (now
       billed as "Terry Carr's Ace Science Fiction Specials," which title it
       never bore when he was alive) is proof, to me at least, that Terry Carr
       will be sorely missed.  There is, of course, a certain irony to the fact
       that they have renamed the series "Terry Carr's Ace Science Fiction
       Specials" and therefore have to label them as "Edited by Damon Knight."
       The last Ace Science Fiction Special before this was Richard Kadrey's
       _M_e_t_r_o_p_h_a_g_e two years ago, billed as one of the "New Ace Science Fiction
       Specials" and "edited by Terry Carr--it was Carr's last.

            History aside and back to the issue at hand, what about _B_l_a_c_k _S_n_o_w
       _D_a_y_s?  It's possible that a good book might be written about a post-
       holocaust bionic man with a separate physical entity (?) holding his
       _a_n_i_m_a (as opposed to his _a_n_i_m_u_s), but I don't think this is it.
       Frankly, I prefer my books written in English and this is written in
       cyberpunk: "He didn't even have the time to be frightened.  Before his
       soul decomposed from his body.  Without time, nothing could keep him in
       place.  He busted through his cranium, torched through his fingertips."
       Ptui.

            This reminds me of some of the _o_t_h_e_r series of "Ace Science Fiction
       Specials" that Terry Carr didn't edit, from 1975 and 1976.  Remember
       those?  I didn't think so.




































                           ENDANGERED SPECIES by Gene Wolfe
                    Tor, 1990 (1989c), ISBN 0-812-50718-5, $4.95.
                          A book review by Evelyn C. Leeper
                           Copyright 1990 Evelyn C. Leeper



            This collection of thirty-four stories by one of the leading
       literary science fiction authors of today is billed on the cover as "one
       of the most important collections of the decade" (_F_a_n_t_a_s_y & _S_c_i_e_n_c_e
       _F_i_c_t_i_o_n) and "the best single-author collection you will see this year"
       (_A_n_a_l_o_g).  For a change, the blurbs are not just hype.

            First of all, this is a much larger collection than one usually
       sees--almost twice the usual number of stories.  The result is that we
       can see a much wider range of Wolfe's talent than a normal-length
       collection would show us.  Secondly, though all the stories have been
       previously published elsewhere, they are not what you would call readily
       available.  For example, "Our Friend by Charles Dickens" appeared in
       _R_o_o_m_s _o_f _P_a_r_a_d_i_s_e edited by Lee Harding.  Try finding that at your local
       Waldenbooks--or even Forbidden Planet!

            Notable stories include the aforementioned "Our Neighbor by David
       Copperfield," an excellent story to give your friend who loves Dickens's
       style.  "In the House of Gingerbread" is a wonderful twist and re-twist
       on the classic children's story; "The War Beneath the Tree" also takes
       an interesting turn at the end.

            Unfortunately, even such a literary work as this is not free of
       typos; in "The God and His Man" the sword is named either "Maser" or
       "Master," depending on what sentence you're in.

            These stories cover the range of science fiction, horror, and
       fantasy.  My only quibble is the omission of "Slaves of Silver," Wolfe's
       foray into Sherlockiana, but that's a minor objection.  If you're
       interested in seeing where science fiction concepts meet mainstream
       literary values, buy this book.





























                 FREEDOM BEACH by James Patrick Kelly and John Kessel
                   Bluejay Books, 1985, ISBN 0-312-94168-4, $8.95.
                          A book review by Evelyn C. Leeper
                           Copyright 1990 Evelyn C. Leeper



            _F_r_e_e_d_o_m _B_e_a_c_h is a strange novel.  But then, any novel that
       contains the Faust legend done as a Marx Brothers movie
       ("Faustfeathers") would be a strange novel.

            Shaun Reed finds himself somehow at Freedom Beach, a sort of
       purgatorial Club Med at which he has apparently signed up for some sort
       of therapy which involves amnesia.  Through his dreams he sometimes
       remembers his past as a writer, but is just as likely to find himself
       the character in some other writers' works.

            _F_r_e_e_d_o_m _B_e_a_c_h examines an author's psyche, and though I doubt this
       author is typical, the audacity of the sections overcomes the not
       entirely convincing characterizations.  Recommended if you can find it.

            [Note: Bluejay published a very high-quality line of books, but
       their packaging was, well, abysmal.  Classic typos they gave us included
       the rendering of _R_o_g_u_e _Q_u_e_e_n as _R_o_u_g_e _Q_u_e_e_n on its spine, the
       misspelling of Isaac Asimov's name on the title page of _S_h_e_r_l_o_c_k _H_o_l_m_e_s
       _T_h_r_o_u_g_h _T_i_m_e _a_n_d _S_p_a_c_e, and this book, which in the back blurb misspells
       the main character's name five times and confuses Jane Austen with Emily
       Bronte!  Tom Kidd's cover painting of the Sphinx and the Pyramids of
       Giza is also totally inaccurate, both to the reality and to the
       description in the book.]




































                                   NUNS ON THE RUN
                           A film review by Mark R. Leeper
                            Copyright 1990 Mark R. Leeper



                 Capsule review:  After the negative reviews this
            film has gotten it turns out to be an intelligent and
            witty comedy with some solid characterization.  In fact,
            its virtues are many of the same virtues of the better
            1950s English comedy films.  Take out one scene and it
            could easily have been a story you would have seen Alec
            Guinness in in his heyday.  Rating: high +1.

            _S_t_a_r _W_a_r_s and _R_a_i_d_e_r_s _o_f _t_h_e _L_o_s_t _A_r_k shifted the market for
       adventure films.  Their slam-bang pacing spoiled audiences who
       previously were happy with the pacing of adventures such as _S_h_e and _T_h_e
       _M_a_n _W_h_o _W_o_u_l_d _B_e _K_i_n_g.  Monty Python's various films and television show
       similarly shifted the comedy audience.  By pre-Python standards _N_u_n_s _o_n
       _t_h_e _R_u_n would be a frenetic comedy with some interesting characters and
       a few good laughs.  It has been getting some bad press as being not
       funny enough and lacking in the punch that a film such as _A _F_i_s_h _C_a_l_l_e_d
       _W_a_n_d_a had.  Well, it really does not have the steady laughs of _A _F_i_s_h
       _C_a_l_l_e_d _W_a_n_d_a, but it is every bit as funny as the classic Alec Guinness
       Ealing comedies.  And if it is less substantial than classic Guinness
       comedy, it is certainly more substantial than most of the modern
       comedies being made.  That means that it is roughly eight times as good
       as empty comedies such as _T_h_r_o_w _M_o_m_m_a _f_r_o_m _t_h_e _T_r_a_i_n or _B_l_i_n_d _D_a_t_e.

            In _N_u_n_s _o_n _t_h_e _R_u_n, Brian Hope and Charlie McManus are two aging
       hoods who want to get out of crime.  Their boss cannot afford to have
       them possibly double-cross the organization, so when the boss finds out
       they want to leave they know their days are numbered.  Their only chance
       is now to double-cross the organization and steal enough money to escape
       to Brazil.  When their gang is going to rob a local triad gang, Hope and
       McManus see their chance to make off with the boodle.  [Note of
       explanation: Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the
       Triads are the same secret organization sometimes known as the Tongs.
       The film makes fun of their love of cutlery.  The real Tongs are as
       professional and deadly as any of their European counterparts.]  Things
       do not go well for the two and they end up with both their own gang and
       the Triads chasing them.  Their only escape is to disguise themselves as
       nuns and hide in a convent.  But Hope is bewildered by the Catholic
       religion he is now expected to know.  McManus is Catholic and tries to
       rescue him, but his explanations are little help.  In the discussion of
       religion, the comedy is at its richest.  Hope's very life may depend on
       his understanding McManus's muddled explanation of the Holy Trinity and
       the basic doctrines of Catholicism.

            For the most part this comedy could have been done in the 1950s.
       It pokes a little fun at Catholicism, but never to the point that it is











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       really disrespectful.  The film's only scene that would have been out of
       place in the 1950s is a delightfully vulgar shower room scene.  In
       general the film works like a well-oiled machine, with many diverse plot
       elements coming together in unexpected combinations.

            Eric Idle of Monty Python fame stars as Brian Hope.  Idle's age is
       starting to show on him and he looks surprisingly middle-aged here, but
       that helps to give Hope character.  For once his antics are outshone by
       a non-Pythonite, Robbie Coltrane, who played Falstaff in _H_e_n_r_y _V and Bob
       Hoskins's mystery-loving friend in _M_o_n_a _L_i_s_a.  The film was written and
       directed by Jonathan Lynn, who in this country is best known for writing
       and directing the television shows "Yes, Minister" and "Yes, Prime
       Minister."  While lacking those series' sophistication, _N_u_n_s _o_n _t_h_e _R_u_n
       is still an intelligent, whimsical comedy.  I give it a high +1 on the
       -4 to +4 scale.



















































                                     Readercon 3
                            Con report by Evelyn C. Leeper
                           Copyright 1990 Evelyn C. Leeper


            To be honest, we were not planning on attending Readercon this
       year.  What with Confiction in Holland (two weeks vacation) and a
       three-week trip to Southeast Asia planned, we were strapped for vacation
       days, and it is hard for us to get to a convention in the Boston area
       without taking an extra day.  In addition, last year's program was in
       parts a bit too academic and dry--well, let's be honest: in parts it was
       unintelligible.  Then again, why should anything about a convention on a
       seventeen-month cycle be intelligible?  But I digress, and anyway the
       cycle has shifted again; the next Readercon is in only fifteen months.
       However, after I was asked to be one of the judges for the Readercon
       Small Press Awards (the others were Thomas M. Disch, John Shirley,
       Kathryn Cramer, Paul Chadwick, Jerry Kaufman, and Greg Ketter), we
       decided to sandwich it in, resulting in a truly ridiculous schedule for
       the weekend (March 30 through April 1, 1990).

            We left work about 4PM and drove to my parents' house in Chicopee,
       arriving about 9PM (rain and fog in Connecticut slowed us down
       somewhat).  Having not seen them for at least four months, and having
       been to Boskone in February and not seen them then, we really could not
       be this close and not at least drop in.  We spent an hour and a half
       with them, which included telling them I was nominated for a Hugo (which
       we have taken to describing as "like the Oscars for science fiction" for
       non-sf types), then drove up to Kate's place in Amherst, arriving about
       11PM.  More fog on the way convinced me that the weather gods had it in
       for us, but luckily none of this ever turned to snow.

            Saturday morning we left about 8 AM after ascertaining that, yes, I
       did have a map of Massachusetts--in the hectic packing I had not
       remembered to check the car.  The trip to Lowell was easy, with little
       traffic and clear(er) weather, and we arrived at the Lowell Hilton about
       9:50 AM--not bad timing for a convention that opens at 10 AM.

            Registration was fast for us since we were preregistered, though
       the at-the-door memberships had a bit of a line.  Freebies included a
       Tor Double and James Patrick Kelly's latest novel, _L_o_o_k _i_n_t_o _t_h_e _S_u_n.
       It is unusual to see as major a book as the latter as a convention
       giveaway, but I suspect Tor figured that Readercon attendees would be
       the most likely to read it and recommend it to others.


                                 Hotel and Function Space

            Unlike last year, the convention was spread out over several
       floors.  The main programming was on the first floor, the fan
       programming, readings and other one-author items were on the second
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       the Green Room--last year they were adjacent and people tended to drift
       into the Green Room who did not belong there).  The rooms all seemed the
       right size for the groups in them (fairly unusual for conventions or any
       meetings these days--I attribute this as much to luck as anything else).
       This year the program guide included a map of the hotel (sorely missed
       last year) and a restaurant guide.

            There is not much point to describing the function space, or Lowell
       for that matter, in any greater detail--next year Readercon is moving to
       the Worcester Marriott.  (And just when we found a great Southeast Asian
       restaurant in Lowell!)

                                    Dealers' Room

            Of course the Dealers' Room was entirely books.  There were about
       the same number of dealers as last year (a dozen or so), and this year
       there were a couple of dealers selling new paperbacks (a serious
       deficiency last year).  Several people commented on the relative paucity
       of the Dealers' Room compared to, say, Boskone, but this was due to
       several reasons.  First, since the committee expected around 300 people
       actually attending, they aimed for an appropriately sized Dealers' Room.
       But 400 people attended, making the room seem small and crowded.
       Second, dealers do not want to compete with a lot of other dealers, all
       selling the same thing--in this case, books.  It cuts down on everyone's
       margin.  And last, no Dealers' Room is ever large enough to satisfy the
       true reader!

            Though the Dealers' Room was scheduled to stay open until 7 PM on
       Saturday, the dealers all left at 5 PM for dinner.  Sunday the Dealers'
       Room closed at 3 PM.  In spite of its small size, I managed to buy ten
       books in the first five minutes!

                                     Programming

            The programming was expanded from last year's, with two main tracks
       of programming, a "mini-track," and a fan track.  For years people have
       been suggesting that conventions try variable-length items (some panels
       an hour, some ninety minutes, etc.) and staggered starting times, so the
       committee decided to give it a try.  This did serve one useful purpose.
       Before, it was just opinion to say that it would not work well.  Now
       when the topic comes up, one can state that there is experiential
       evidence that it would not work well.  By staggering the starting times,
       the committee made it impossible for me to attend more than about 75% of
       what I wanted to see.  If there was an item from 2:30 to 3:30, for
       example, it effectively ruled out any items at 2 or at 3.  (I do not
       like to arrive late to or leave early from a panel--the latter can
       easily make the panelists think you did not like them rather than just
       that there was something else you needed to get to.)

            On the plus side, the panel discussion were held around a coffee
       table (a la Dick Cavett's old show) rather than at the usual higher











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       table.  This made the panelists seem less separated from the audience,
       and it also resulted in there being no place for panelists to prop up
       copies of all their books they were pushing.  (Consider that a minor
       benefit, but there was noticeably less pushing of one's own books this
       year.)

            Since we did not arrive until Saturday morning, we missed the
       Friday night programming, which was not very heavily scheduled anyway.
       (Many of the pros who would be on panels did not arrive until Saturday
       either.)  What to schedule for the first night's programming is
       difficult.  It cannot be anything truly major, since people are still
       trickling in.  Even the obvious "Meet the Pros" party has problems--not
       all the pros are there yet.  Eric says they have some ideas for next
       year, but this has been a problem for every convention and I doubt it
       can be solved by then.

                                       _R_e_a_d_i_n_g
                                 Kim Stanley Robinson
                                  Saturday, 10:00 AM

            Due to the later starts of the major tracks, the first item I
       attended was the Kim Stanley Robinson reading.  As usual, the reading
       was an excerpt from a forthcoming work rather than a self-contained
       item, but I cannot for the life of me remember what the title was.  I do
       remember that there were some fairly unpleasant characters and drugs in
       it.

         _O_K _f_o_r _Y_o_u, _B_l_a_s_p_h_e_m_y: _C_r_i_t_i_q_u_i_n_g _R_e_l_i_g_i_o_n _i_n _I_m_a_g_i_n_a_t_i_v_e _L_i_t_e_r_a_t_u_r_e
                John Kessel (moderator), Thomas M. Disch, M. J. Engh,
                               James Morrow, Paul Park
                                  Saturday, 11:30 AM

            This began with Kessel asking the panelists to introduce themselves
       and give their religious backgrounds.  If they had all gone into the
       detail that Engh did, they never would have gotten to the main meat of
       the panel.  Engh described herself as Methodist turned atheist, Morrow
       as Presbyterian (actually generic Protestant) turned secular humanist,
       Kessel as ethnic Catholic "in recovery now."  Park said he was an
       Anglican (High Church) who currently is "a mix of strict Roman
       Catholicism and jeering atheism" and is currently writing theological
       thrillers.

            Disch talked about growing up German in the 1940s (when being
       German meant trying as hard as possible to have _n_o ethnic
       characteristics) and Catholic in a sort of "S&M" Catholicism with much
       emphasis on Hell and its torments.  As a result(?), he says he loves
       seeing religious hypocrites "get theirs": Father Ritter, Jim and Tammy
       Bakker, etc.  His religion is currently "ex-Catholic, one of the largest
       and most passionate religions" today.













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            I found it interesting that, given the high proportion of Jews
       writing science fiction, there were no Jews (or ex-Jews) on the panel.
       But more on that later.

            Morrow flung down the gauntlet, more or less, saying that Bible
       morality is second-rate and crude, and that this was what led him to
       write his series of "Bible Stories for Adults," examining more closely
       this morality.  This raised the question of whether authors argue more
       with God or with the presentation of God by religions.  Someone
       described Christianity as "fascinating stuff, a rich field, and pretty
       appalling" to which Park responded that one rarely sees the good and
       pure degenerate into the bad and evil as quickly as in (organized)
       religion.  Kessel claimed that organized religion had stolen Jesus the
       same way the Republicans have stolen the flag.

            In response to a comment from the audience, the panelists agreed
       that most of their works dealt with Western monotheism (Christianity,
       Judaism, and Islam), avoiding such religions as Hinduism or Buddhism.
       Engh tried to put forth an argument that neo-paganism was really
       monotheism, but I was not convinced and I do not think the audience was
       either.  Morrow claimed that blasphemers are often accused of striking
       first when they are in fact only striking back.

            Disch quoted Thomas Carlyle as saying that writers have taken on
       the role of prophecy, and Disch concluded that this was one reason why
       writers, especially science fiction writers, want to dictate or preach
       to their audiences.  Disch asked "why Cardinal O'Conner should set the
       agenda" in telling people how to misbehave.  And, yes, he did say
       "misbehave"--after all (as I interpret his statement) the Church issues
       a list of sins which many people seem to treat as checklists.

            Of course, science fiction is just a thought experiment, which is
       what makes all this possible.  For that matter, _i_s Morrow's _O_n_l_y
       _B_e_g_o_t_t_e_n _D_a_u_g_h_t_e_r science fiction?  Is any religious science fiction,
       science fiction or is it fantasy?  (For that matter, is Hugh
       Schonfield's _P_a_s_s_o_v_e_r _P_l_o_t fantasy?)  And as fantasy, does it try to be
       predictive in the way that science fiction occasionally does?

            As for the lack of Jews on the panel, this ties in with my
       observation that most "attacks" on organized religion attack
       Christianity rather than Judaism or Islam.  Is this due to the fact that
       an attack on a Christian preacher is somehow more acceptable than an
       attack on a Jewish rabbi?  (Yeah, I know that is redundant.)  I cannot
       help but feel that if someone like Morrow or Parke Godwin took aim at
       the Chief Rabbinate in Jerusalem they would be accused of anti-Semitism
       faster than a speeding bullet.  Morrow may also have hit upon part of
       the answer when he said (in response to a question about whether the
       panelists were being "dismissive" of religion), "Religion is riding high
       in the saddle now and by God somebody has to be dismissive!"  In the
       United States it is only Christianity, and a small subset of
       Christianity at that, which could be termed "riding high in the saddle."











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            Disch observed that stories of early Christianity and such
       religious leaders as Joseph Smith would be intriguing, in that the
       author would presumably have to reconcile the idea that the characters
       believed they were religiously inspired, while the author believed they
       were not.

            The panel closed with Disch observing (in some context) that no one
       would ever accuse Isaac Asimov of subtle characters and Park responding,
       "This is blasphemy!"

            After this, we went to lunch with someone from AT&T in Lowell.  We
       ate at the Southeast Asian Restaurant, which serves Thai, Laotian, and
       Cambodian food--very good and recommended, though the service was a bit
       slow.  Then again, we were under some serious time constraints, since I
       had to get back for my 2 PM discussion.

                         _T_h_e _B_o_o_k_s _I _G_i_v_e _M_a_i_n_s_t_r_e_a_m _R_e_a_d_e_r_s
                      Greg Cox, Daniel P. Dern, Scott E. Green,
                  Theresa Nielsen-Hayden, Marjorie Bradley Kellogg,
            Robert Killheffer, Eleanor Lang, Evelyn Leeper, Susan Palwick
                                  Saturday, 2:00 PM

            This was a round-table discussion rather than a panel, so there was
       no moderator.  Some of the books suggested (and the people suggesting
       them) were:

          - Burgess, Anthony, anything

          - Dann, Jack, _W_a_n_d_e_r_i_n_g _S_t_a_r_s (Leeper)

          - Davies, L. P., anything (Green)

          - Dickinson, Peter, anything

          - Finney, Jack, _T_i_m_e _a_n_d _A_g_a_i_n (someone gave this to his grandmother
            and she really enjoyed it, having gone through the same "time-
            travel" experience, albeit in real time)

          - Harris, Thomas, _T_h_e _S_i_l_e_n_c_e _o_f _t_h_e _L_a_m_b_s (Palwick)

          - Koontz, Dean R., _L_i_g_h_t_n_i_n_g (this seems a bit like recommending
            Stephen King these days--working with a net) (Green)

          - Kushner, Ellen, _S_w_o_r_d_s_p_o_i_n_t (Killheffer)

          - LeGuin, Ursula K., _T_h_e _L_e_f_t _H_a_n_d _o_f _D_a_r_k_n_e_s_s (Kellogg)

          - Manguel, Alberto, _B_l_a_c_k _W_a_t_e_r (Leeper)

          - Silverberg, Robert, _D_y_i_n_g _I_n_s_i_d_e (Killheffer)












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          - Sturgeon, Theodore, _M_o_r_e _T_h_a_n _H_u_m_a_n (Palwick)

          - Wilson, Colin, anything

            Green suggested "John Wyndham's _E_x_i_l_e" set in post-holocaust
       Labrador--I do not know of any such novel.

            Someone suggested leading people into science fiction without their
       knowing what it is.  The danger in this is that, as Mark observed, "If
       you lead someone into science fiction without their knowing what it is,
       they may leave without knowing they've been there."  The example I gave
       was that Mark's sister had seen and liked _C_o_c_o_o_n, but did not realize it
       was science fiction.  My response to her was that if a film about aliens
       coming to Earth and giving people immortality was not science fiction,
       I'd like to know what was.

            I observed that one really has to tailor one's suggestions to the
       recipient, so that (for example) I give my Jewish relatives _W_a_n_d_e_r_i_n_g
       _S_t_a_r_s and my Hispanic relatives _B_l_a_c_k _W_a_t_e_r.  Other people thought
       near-future stories worked better than far-future, and cyberpunk should
       be recommended sparingly, if at all.  (One person said that a friend to
       whom she gave _N_e_u_r_o_m_a_n_c_e_r kept waiting for the terms to be defined--and
       they never were.)

            Other people thought recommending shorter works was a better idea,
       since the recipient did not feel they were making as large a time
       investment.  This will only work if the recipient does not have a
       prejudice against shorter fiction--apparently these days many people
       will not read anything shorter than a novel.  Still, an anthology should
       make them feel they are getting enough without having only one story on
       which science fiction will stand or fall.  (You had better tell them it
       _i_s an anthology--I have heard stories of people getting anthologies and
       complaining that the various parts of the "novel" did not seem to fit
       together!)

            After the discussion we sat and talked to Jerry Boyajian for a
       while (having finally delivered to him a tape we had brought to three
       conventions for him!) about movies (gasp!) and Usenet.  I dropped into
       the Lucius Shepard reading to get his autograph on _G_r_e_e_n _E_y_e_s, but did
       not stay because I wanted to go to the next panel.

                                   (to be continued)