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                        Mt. Holz Science Fiction Society
                    Club Notice - 10/02/92 -- Vol. 11, No. 14


       MEETINGS UPCOMING:

       Unless otherwise stated, all meetings are on Wednesdays at noon.

         _D_A_T_E                    _T_O_P_I_C

       10/07  HO: FORGE OF GOD and ANVIL OF STARS by Greg Bear
                       (The Fermi Paradox) (HO 4N-509)
       10/28  HO: Book Swap (HO 4N-509)
       11/18  HO: DOOMSDAY BOOK by Connie Willis (Plagues) (HO 4N-509)
       12/09  HO: A FIRE ON THE DEEP by Vernor Vinge (HO 4N-509)

         _D_A_T_E                    _E_X_T_E_R_N_A_L _M_E_E_T_I_N_G_S/_C_O_N_V_E_N_T_I_O_N_S/_E_T_C.
       09/19  NJSFS: New Jersey Science Fiction Society: TBA
                       (phone 201-432-5965 for details) (Saturday)
       10/10  SFABC: Science Fiction Association of Bergen County: TBA
                       (phone 201-933-2724 for details) (Saturday)

       HO Chair:     John Jetzt        HO 1E-525  908-834-1563 hocpb!jetzt
       LZ Chair:     Rob Mitchell      HO 1D-505A 908-834-1267 hocpb!jrrt
       MT Chair:     Mark Leeper       MT 3D-441  908-957-5619 mtgzy!leeper
       HO Librarian: Nick Sauer        HO 4F-427  908-949-7076 homxc!11366ns
       LZ Librarian: Lance Larsen      LZ 3L-312  908-576-3346 mtfme!lfl
       MT Librarian: Mark Leeper       MT 3D-441  908-957-5619 mtgzy!leeper
       Factotum:     Evelyn Leeper     MT 1F-329  908-957-2070 mtgzy!ecl
       All material copyright by author unless otherwise noted.

       1. Sorry, but you are an instant weiner, and don't play again.

       2. Of the next Holmdel book discussion, Dale Skran says:

       Greg Bear has written a worthy sequel to _F_o_r_g_e  _o_f  _G_o_d  with  vast
       scope  and  vision.   For  those  who  like old-fashioned "sense of
       wonder" SF  combined  with  interesting  characters  and  a  pulse-
       pounding  story,  Bear delivers again.  _A_n_v_i_l _o_f _S_t_a_r_s is space-war
       at its most refined, fought with awesome weapons in a devilish game
       of  hide-and-seek  by characters struggling with the decisions that
       may destroy an entire race.  In the past month, I've  read  several
       really  excellent  SF  novels  (_F_i_r_e  _o_n _t_h_e _D_e_e_p [Vinge], _A_n_v_i_l _o_f
       _S_t_a_r_s, _A_r_i_s_t_o_i [Williams], and _S_t_e_e_l _B_e_a_c_h [Varley]), any of  which
       is better than any of last year's Hugo nominees.  _A_n_v_i_l _o_f _S_t_a_r_s is











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       not the best,  but it is a worthy contender.  [-dls]

       3. I do a lot of traveling so you'd think I would be used to flying
       by now.  No way!  I know as a kid I loved flying.  Like most kids I
       collected pictures of planes; I fooled around with paper  airplanes
       and  balsawood planes; I built models of planes.  We were born into
       a world of three-dimensions; biology gave us a means to get  around
       pretty well in two of them and frustratingly gave us almost nothing
       to make use  of  the  third.   So  being  a  contrary  kid,  I  was
       fascinated  in  moving in all three dimensions.  I suppose if I was
       told I could go in any direction but north I might  have  collected
       pictures of igloos.

       But I have to say that now that flying is an industry, the airlines
       have  done  a  great job of making it about as pleasant as going to
       the dentist.  I can tell you I didn't collect  pictures  of  molars
       and dental picks.

       The first thing wrong with  flying  is  the  fare  structure.   The
       reason  it  is  so  screwed  up  is  that  the  fares  are not even
       determined by full-time professionals.  Most of the people  setting
       up  the  fares are only moonlighting from their real careers, which
       is  dealing Three-Card Monte on the streets of Manhattan.  Wherever
       you  fly  you  have paid too much.  You could have flown cheaper if
       you had gone by way of someplace like  Grand  Banks,  Alaska.   But
       take  my  word for it, you do _n_o_t want to make a connecting flight.
       A connecting flight is always a race to see if the next flight will
       be delayed enough.  As a rule of thumb, "connecting flights don't."
       However, if you want to find  connecting  flights,  you  can  thumb
       through  the  handy-dandy  airline  guide you probably have at your
       local library.   It's  a  great  way  to  learn  all  the  official
       abbreviations  describing  your  flight.  Incidentally, if you read
       one of these things "CLW" is preferable to "CLL."  Crash landing on
       water is safer.

       I am sitting here writing this  on  an  hour-long  flight  that  is
       already  more  than an hour long, so I strongly suspect I will have
       more to say on this subject in an upcoming issue.

       4. My MagiCon convention report starts in this issue and  continues
       for the next three issues as well.  [-ecl]


                                          Mark Leeper
                                          MT 3D-441 908-957-5619
                                           ...mtgzy!leeper



            The direct use of physical force is so poor a solution to
            the problem of limited resources that it is commonly
            employed only by small children and great nations.
                                          -- David Friedman













                             THE LAST OF THE MOHICANS
                         A film review by Mark R. Leeper
                          Copyright 1992 Mark R. Leeper



                 Capsule review:  Michael Mann's _L_a_s_t _o_f _t_h_e
            _M_o_h_i_c_a_n_s is finally available and while James
            Fenimore Cooper might cavil, this is still a film
            that teaches a lot about a little-dramatized chapter
            of history.  In some ways it is more intriguing in
            concept than the source novel.  Technical credits are
            good across the board including remarkable stylistic
            restraint coming from Mann.  Rating: high +2 (-4 to
            +4).

            I would say that I am fairly interested in history in general
       and in military history in particular.  But not so much the War of
       the Roses.  That war just does not strike my imagination.  Why not?
       I think I cannot picture the time.  I cannot picture how the war was
       fought or how people lived.  Mostly, I cannot remember off-hand
       seeing a good historical film set in the War of the Roses.  So it is
       all just history.  This morning the same was true of the French and
       Indian War.  I have even recently read James Fenimore Cooper's _L_a_s_t
       _o_f _t_h_e _M_o_h_i_c_a_n_s, but I just could not picture exactly what the
       weapons looked like or the style of fighting.  But right now I have
       strong visual images of the French and Indian War.  I can picture
       the cannons and how they were aimed.  I am amazed at how remarkably
       quiet skirmishes in the forests were.  Most of my impressions of the
       French and Indian War I got today.  So _T_h_e _L_a_s_t _o_f _t_h_e _M_o_h_i_c_a_n_s
       could be a terrible adaptation of the Cooper novel--and in some
       senses it really is--and I would still highly recommend the film.
       And I do.

            Cooper's novel makes strange reading today.  It has the action
       and adventure of a Republic serial told in the style of prose fit
       for an Oxford economic treatise.  You want to read fast to find out
       what happens next, but if you do not struggle you will miss what
       does happen.  Mark Twain wrote a famous essay on how unreadable
       Cooper is.  And there is many times too much plot in the novel to
       tell the story accurately in a film.  Michael Mann (who also
       directed) and Christopher Crowe wrote a screenplay too close to say
       it was only inspired by the novel, but not close enough to call an
       adaptation.

            The year is 1757 in what is now upper New York state.  The
       British and the French are fighting for the continent and each is
       making alliances with local Indians tribes.  The British send a
       small party, led by Major Duncan Heyward (played by Steven
       Waddington) to take Cora and Alice Munro (played by Madeleine Stowe
       and Jodhi May) to the fort commanded by their father.  As a guide,











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       they send the Mohawk Magua (played by Wes Studi).  But Magua is not
       a Mohawk; he is a hostile Huron who is acting as a French agent.  He
       leads the party into an ambush only to have his plot dashed when the
       Major, Cora, and Alice are rescued by Hawkeye, Chingachgook, and
       Uncas (played by Daniel Day-Lewis, Russell Means, and Eric Schweig,
       respectively).  In spite of himself, Hawkeye is attracted to Cora.
       So is the Major and so starts a conflict totally absent from the
       novel.  A lot of the rest of this film is about people rushing
       someplace or other through dangerous territory, but under the
       protection of the valiant Hawkeye and his adoptive father and
       brother, Chingachgook and Uncas.  The action is good; the love
       triangle is not.

            One of my complaints about the often-shown trailer is that we
       do not see the title character.  In fact, in the film the action
       pulls away from Chingachgook and we do not see much of the
       character.  It is a combination of a casting coup and an endorsement
       of the script to have Russell Means in the role.  This is Means's
       first film, but it is far from the first time that Means has been
       before the American public.  Means has been a creative activist for
       Indian rights who has had a consistent policy of attacking symbols
       rather than people in demonstrations.  In 1970 he captured the
       Mayflower II on Thanksgiving.  The following year he occupied Mount
       Rushmore.  In 1973 he occupied the site of the Wounded Knee massacre
       of Indians by United States soldiers.  He is the co-founder of the
       American Indian Movement (AIM).  Means castigated recent films such
       as _D_a_n_c_e_s _w_i_t_h _W_o_l_v_e_s, which he found full of cliches and which had
       all the Indians speaking the feminine language that only women
       spoke.  He has nicknamed _T_h_u_n_d_e_r_h_e_a_r_t "South Dakota Burning" for
       making good guys out of the FBI.  To have Means consent to appear in
       the film and to endorse the script is quite impressive.

            When I think of films that Michael Mann has directed I think of
       flashy but not very intelligent style.  I think of _T_h_e _K_e_e_p and
       _M_a_n_h_u_n_t_e_r.  (I have never seen an episode of his popular television
       series _M_i_a_m_i _V_i_c_e.)  Perhaps his fans will be disappointed but there
       are no strange camera angles and no unnatural use of color.  Many of
       his scenes come off surprisingly undramatic but also very credible.
       In one scene there is an ambush of a party of British trooping
       through a clearing.  It could have been played for great dramatic
       impact.  Instead it appears as a sudden commotion that could well
       have just been confusing for some of the victims, at least at first.
       The scene is very believable and realistic, if less dramatic than it
       could be.  And that shows a real improvement in Mann's style.  This
       film is amazingly better than anything else I remember seeing from
       Mann.  While these are not the most beautiful landscapes in the
       world, cinematographer Dante Spinotti plays the natural beauty for
       as much as is possible.  Trevor Jones and Randy Edelman have
       composed a remarkably good score.













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            For those familiar with the novel, there are a large number of
       variations, some very obviously improvements.  Cooper had Hawkeye
       totally loyal to unquestionably good British.  In this version, the
       British appear as bad or worse than the French.  They are ready to
       betray the colonists for their own ends.  Hawkeye, very reasonably,
       does not trust the British in the film and will have more reason not
       to like them in the course of the story.  Heyward and Hawkeye are
       good friends in the book.  But the film has Heyward attracted to
       Cora instead of to Alice and Hawkeye also loves Cora.  In the book
       you have to read between the lines to see a relationship between
       Hawkeye and Cora.  Certainly Cooper never had the close personal
       conversations between Hawkeye and Cora.  They never talk in the book
       about how they feel about anything, much less about each other.
       Also, Magua is very much a one-dimensional character to Cooper and
       is much more interesting in the film.

            So in spite of the fact that Michael Mann's film does not work
       well as an adaptation of the novel, it is a very good film to watch
       and from which to learn a little history.  It lacks some of the
       dramatic and historic sweep of this summer's _F_a_r _a_n_d _A_w_a_y, but it
       may be the better historical film.  I would rate _T_h_e _L_a_s_t _o_f _t_h_e
       _M_o_h_i_c_a_n_s a high +2 on the -4 to +4 scale.





































































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                                      MagiCon 1992
                                      (Part 1 of 4)
                             Con report by Evelyn C. Leeper
                            Copyright 1992 Evelyn C. Leeper


               [What you hold in your hands--or on your screen--is an example
          of manic con report writing.  I foolishly took a vacation for a few
          days after the con, and will be leaving on another in three and a
          half weeks, so I will do my best to get this done in between.
          Please pardon any mistakes that slip through.]

               MagiCon, the 1992 World Science Fiction Convention, and the
          50th World Science Fiction Convention, was held September 3 through
          September 7 in Orlando, Florida.  The attendance was quoted as 5903,
          as of 2 PM Sunday.  There were a fair number of Europeans (Orlando
          is more accessible than Chicago was last year), including the now
          usual contingent of CIS fans selling Soviet memorabilia to help
          finance their trip.  I think their prices have gone up though.  :-)

               We arrived in Orlando Thursday afternoon after a somewhat
          hectic flight (we left Newark Airport seventy-five minutes late and
          made our Raleigh connection only because American Airlines held the
          connecting flights, bless them.  So I've now been in North Carolina
          for about five minutes).  We checked into the Peabody only to
          discover that Dave and Kate were unable to check in because their
          names were not listed for the room.  I blame the Orange County
          Convention Bureau--I had listed all the names, and I suspect they're
          the ones who dropped the names.  But we got this straightened out,
          and they had a car to leave their luggage in until we arrived.

                                       Facilities

               The convention facilities were very good.  The convention
          center had patio seating in the center, with a concession stand for
          those who wanted food or drink.  The exhibit hall, message board,
          etc. were right next to this, and the dealers room and art show were
          at the back of this hall.  The meeting rooms were also close by.
          The only inconvenient items were those scheduled in the Clarion,
          which was about a block away.  The distance was not great, but there
          was no good path between the two, and the rooms in the Clarion were
          not well marked (and there was no map of the Clarion in the Pocket
          Program).  The Con Suite was in the Peabody and reportedly not much
          used.

               The restaurant situation, on the other hand, left a lot to be
          desired.  Without a car, there were only about eight choices, most
          fast-food-type places.  There was a Denny's for breakfast, and the
          hotel coffee shop in the Peabody was not really too over-priced.  If
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               As with last year, I would complain that a ballroom was used
          for the masquerade and the Hugo ceremony rather than a theater-type
          room (which provides much better visibility).  There was no closed-
          circuit broadcast, and the line for the masquerade was quite long.
          (I didn't see the Hugo line, and we eventually left the masquerade
          line and used our press ribbons to get forward seating.  Writing
          these con reports is good for something, after all. :-) )

                            Registration and All That Stuff

               Registration was fast, although I had to go to three different
          places (four if you count getting press ribbons): the main
          registration, program participants' registration right next to it,
          and the Green Room for Hugo nominees' registration.  (Note that I'm
          not complaining about the latter, so don't feel obliged to stop
          nominating me to save me from all that.)

               There were reportedly nineteen different ribbons for the
          various types of "special" people (including one that said "This
          Completes The Set"!), all in different colors (unlike last year,
          when staff and program participants both had red ribbons, for
          example).  The Hugo nominee rocket pins were back to the high
          quality of two years ago; last year's were bigger but not as well-
          executed.  Badges were available with either clips or pins.  As is
          universal, the newsletters were late, but not as late as last year's
          (though if anyone has number 8 or the hoax newsletter, I would love
          a copy--we had to leave before those arrived).  There were several
          convenient drop-off points.

               There were lots of flyers on the freebie tables, and free
          issues of _A_n_a_l_o_g and _A_s_i_m_o_v'_s were being handed out.  The usual
          movie buttons were also there, with enough _S_n_e_a_k_e_r_s buttons for
          everyone to get two or three (it seemed), but not as many _D_r_a_c_u_l_a
          buttons as there were takers.  _C_a_n_d_y_m_a_n buttons were mirrored, but
          thankfully these were plastic rather than glass, or there could have
          been problems with broken buttons and sharp edges.  MagiCon handled
          the button handouts themselves, putting out portions of them in
          lavender buckets every free hours.  This was good for two reasons:
          it helped eliminate the mess when people just dump the buttons on
          the tables, and it gave everyone a chance to get some (because they
          weren't all gone after the first day or so).

                                     Program Books

               The Pocket Program once again had an index by participant.
          However, since I had pulled a copy off the Net before the convention
          (and in fact had printed up a customized program for me of what I
          wanted to see, and gave a copy to Mark so he could find me), I
          didn't really use the Pocket Program, or even carry it around.  For
          the third year in a row, the descriptions of the various panels were
          not in the Pocket Program, though the trend to descriptive rather











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          than cutesy titles continues--for which I am thankful.  There was
          also a time grid for the program items and the schedule closely
          resembled the Pocket Program's schedule, with only minor panelist
          changes after it went to press.

               As I noted before, the maps could have been more complete.

               The Souvenir Book was truly great!  In addition to all the
          usual stuff (Hugo nominee list, WSFS Constitution, etc.), there were
          biographies of all the guests of honor, eight articles, six short
          stories, and a novelette.  In his editorial Jon Gustafson talked
          about how he rarely found anything in the Souvenir Book (a.k.a. the
          Program book, though the program is never printed in there any more)
          worth reading or keeping and wanted to do something different.
          Well, he did.  Chicon V came close, in having an anthology _F_a_n_t_a_s_t_i_c
          _C_h_i_c_a_g_o published in conjunction with the Souvenir Book, but it cost
          extra and this did not.  I just hope people actually looked at the
          thing instead of having given up long ago.  (I must admit I didn't
          open it till I got home.)  Again, an excellent job, and a tradition
          to keep up for future Souvenir Books!

                                       Green Room

               The Green Room was well laid out, with coffee available most of
          the day and sodas in the afternoon after the coffee ran out.  It was
          well-staffed, with schedules posted, and on the whole better
          organized than last year's.  There was some confusion about whether
          name cards would be in the Green Room or Program Ops (next door),
          but this was truly minor.  My major complaint would be with the
          participants, who showed a distressing tendency _n_o_t to show up
          before the panels in the Green Room as requested, making any pre-
          planning of introductions, topics, etc., impossible.

               The Green Room also gave me an opportunity to get travel advice
          on the Southwest from Fred Lerner, and to have Jerry Pournelle look
          at me two or three times, finally peer at my badge, and say, "You're
          not Connie Willis.  I thought you were, and that you were cutting me
          for some reason."  I suppose I look a little bit like her; we have
          the same style glasses and similar haircuts.  (I told Willis this
          story; she found it amusing, and signed the book I was having her
          autograph as "Your clone, Connie Willis.")

                                      Dealers Room

               As last year, the Dealers Room (a.k.a., the Hucksters Room) was
          very large, with a lot of books, but also a lot of non-books.  I
          actually found a couple of books I had almost given up hope on.
          There may have been an index--I didn't notice.  The need for
          wheelchair accessibility seems to indicate that the cramped aisles
          of Worldcons gone by are indeed a thing of the past.












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                                        Art Show

               The amount of humorous amateur art seemed to be lower this
          year, and there was some very high-quality stuff in the regular show
          and in the Vincent DiFate 50-year speculative art retrospective,
          which consisted of the works of dozens of artists from DiFate's
          collection.  The spaciousness of the Dealers Room was also evident
          here.  I have no idea how the economics worked out, since everything
          I like has long since moved out of my price range.  I did buy three
          Tom Kidd prints in the dealers room though.  (A friend did say that
          the purchase procedure was the most efficient she had seen.)

                                      Programming

               The Pocket Program lists 420 program items, while Chicon V had
          520 program items, ConFiction 337, and Noreascon 3 833 (all not
          counting films or autograph sessions).  There were also 73 videos,
          36 films, 37 autograph sessions, and 42 readings.  Since the
          electronic schedule did not break the panels down by type, I will
          not given a percentage breakdown as I did last year.  In spite of
          the lower total number of items, there were more panels and other
          events at this convention of interest to me than at the previous
          conventions.  In fact, I went with almost all my time scheduled
          between 10 AM and 6 PM every day except for six hours over the whole
          weekend!  Congratulations to Priscilla Olson and staff for a job
          well done!

               Given that it's impossible to see everything at a Worldcon, I
          will cover just the programming I attended.  I would note, however,
          that one friend of mine highly commended the science track (in
          particular, the NASA track, and another thought the art track was
          excellent).

                              Panel: WWWWeeeellllllll RRRReeeeaaaadddd FFFFaaaannnn:::: BBBBooooooookkkkssss
                                     Thursday, 3 PM
             Gregory Bennett, Janice M. Eisen (moderator), Tim Illingworth

               This started with some people thinking that the idea was to
          name books that would help the reader understand fans, so _F_a_l_l_e_n
          _A_n_g_e_l_s by Larry Niven, Jerry Pournelle, and Michael Flynn was
          mentioned.  (Why no one listed Sharyn McCrumb's _B_i_m_b_o_s _o_f _t_h_e _D_e_a_t_h
          _S_u_n and _Z_o_m_b_i_e_s _o_f _t_h_e _G_e_n_e _P_o_o_l I don't know.)  But it rapidly got
          into a listing of what a fan should read to be considered well-read
          and knowledgeable in the field.

               This consisted of just about every author you can name.

               Seriously, a panel that gives people _h_u_n_d_r_e_d_s of books to read
          is too intimidating.  There were some useful comments.  The
          panelists recommended _L_o_c_u_s for current events and admitted that the
          field was getting too broad for anyone to cover completely.  Eisen











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          said that the well-read fan should never admit to having read
          anything media-related, with the possible exception of John
          M. Ford's _H_o_w _M_u_c_h _f_o_r _J_u_s_t _t_h_e _P_l_a_n_e_t?

               In anthologies, panelists recommended the Dozois "Year's Best"
          anthologies for staying current, and the _O_r_b_i_t, _U_n_i_v_e_r_s_e, and
          _D_a_n_g_e_r_o_u_s _V_i_s_i_o_n_s anthologies for what the field was like in the
          1960s and 1970s (though they agreed that _D_a_n_g_e_r_o_u_s _V_i_s_i_o_n_s was not
          so dangerous any more).  Also suggested were the _S_c_i_e_n_c_e _F_i_c_t_i_o_n
          _H_a_l_l _o_f _F_a_m_e anthologies, and the various anthologies of Hugo and
          Nebula award winners.  For that matter, reading the list of Hugo-
          and Nebula-award-winning novels and short fiction would not be a bad
          basis to start your project on.

               It was pointed out that many of the older works are coming back
          into print in a variety of "rediscovery" series.  I suggested the
          Terry Carr Ace Science Fiction Special series (the first one), and
          the Groff Conklin and Judith Merril anthologies, as other resources.

               Someone in the audience asked for recommendations on current
          "hard s-f space opera"; the panelists suggested C. J. Cherryh,
          Charles Sheffield, and Lois McMaster Bujold.  Someone else noted
          that it was interesting that two of the three leaders in this field
          were women.

               Ironically, H. G. Wells and Jules Verne were not mentioned
          until the very end, and even then the panelists seemed to think that
          today's readers would find them unreadable.  (Then again, this was
          the same convention that had a panel on Edgar Rice Burroughs as a
          "neglected author," so maybe the readership is going downhill.)

               Panel: BBBBooooooookkkkssssttttoooorrrreeee aaaassss SSSSuuuuppppeeeerrrrmmmmaaaarrrrkkkkeeeetttt--------GGGGrrrroooowwwwtttthhhh ooooffff MMMMeeeeggggaaaa----BBBBooooooookkkkssssttttoooorrrreeeessss
                                     Thursday, 5 PM
          Glen Cook, Scott Edelman (moderator), Michelle M. Sagara, Brian Thomsen

               First, the definitions: a mega-bookstore (a.k.a. "superstore")
          is one that has more than 10,000 square feet of floor space.  As a
          comparison, the specialty book store Sagara owned had about 1200
          square feet.  And the history: at some point, the chains realized
          that they had to expand their selection or lose business.  First
          they expanded into non-books (videotapes, computer software, etc.),
          but recently they have discovered that people come into book stores
          to buy books (what a concept!) and have sharply cut back on the
          other items.  (It should be noted that some stores, such as Barnes &
          Noble, have always realized they needed a broad selection.  The
          Barnes & Noble store in downtown Manhattan would have qualified as a
          mega-bookstore before the term was even invented.)  Some companies
          tried different focuses for different subsidiaries (e.g., Coles and
          the Book Store in Canada are owned by the same company, but aimed at
          different markets).  Thomsen thought that while this was true, even
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          in print, available from distributors, etc.

               The issue is also compounded by the customer base.  A specialty
          store (such as the Science Fiction Shop in New York) needs a certain
          population density to survive.  A mega-bookstore, by appealing to
          readers in all categories, can be successful in less densely
          populated areas.  I could see a mega-bookstore surviving in Rapid
          City ND where a specialty science fiction shop might have problems.

               Unfortunately, the panel rapidly drifted off-topic onto general
          issues in the publishing and book-selling industry.  The returns
          policy, beaten to death for years now, was given a few more whacks.
          Scott compared the practice of having stores return just the covers
          of unsold books for credit ("stripping") to the auto manufacturers
          telling the dealers, "If you don't sell that car, send us the
          ashtray and a note saying you destroyed the rest."  Thomsen said
          that one reason he felt that TSR has a sell-through rate of 80%
          (compared with an industry average of 50%) is that it doesn't allow
          stripping--dealers must return the entire book.  This gives them an
          extra incentive to gauge better how many to order, or to keep the
          books on the shelf longer before returning them.  The "downward
          spiral" phenomenon that comes out of this was also cited: if a chain
          orders 60,000 of author A's first book and sells 40,000, then they
          will probably order only 40,000 of A's second book and maybe sell
          30,000 of those, and so on.

               The discount policy also came under fire.  While Random House
          offers better discounts to customers with lower return rates, many
          companies offer better discounts to chains than to independent
          booksellers.

               Piers Anthony came under fire (through some long train of
          discussion I can't reproduce).  Someone claimed that Anthony's
          problem was that he was writing what sells this month (i.e., writing
          to follow trends).  Sagara said that Anthony was not writing what
          sells this month, to which Cook added, "His [Anthony's] problem is
          he's writing too much of what he sold last month."

               There was some further discussion of remaindered books, but
          nothing I noted down, and clearly the panel had drifted well off
          topic.  As to the question raised by the topic, Sagara (who owned a
          specialty shop) seemed to think the megastores were not a threat to
          its existence, and Glen currently sells only at conventions, so
          until Barnes & Noble buys a booth in the dealers room, he's not
          worried.

               (Though the superstores are thought of as run by chains, the
          United States's largest bookstore is an independent bookstore, the
          Tattered Cover in Denver, which has 42,000 square feet.)













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                                     MMMMeeeeeeeetttt tttthhhheeee VVVVIIIIPPPPssss
                                   Thursday, 8:30 PM
                          Mike Resnick (Master of Ceremonies)

               As is often the case with these parties, it was too noisy
          actually to meet anyone successfully.  The party was supposed to be
          held around the pool, which would have let the noise drift up and
          away, but was instead moved to the ballroom in the Clarion, where
          the noise could bounce off the walls and make the place even louder.
          Resnick did his best to read off the names of the VIPs as they were
          handed to him, but I suspect most people couldn't hear him and
          weren't paying attention.  Plus the people being introduced weren't
          up there; they were wandering around the room.  Resnick is a very
          good speaker and this was a real waste of his talent.

               (Oh, as the VIPs came in, they were given a plastic lei.
          Somehow one of my friends got in without the greeters seeing him,
          and was complaining that everyone was getting "lei-ed" but him.  So
          I dragged him back to the entrance and got him "lei-ed.")

                              Autographing: CCCCoooonnnnnnnniiiieeee WWWWiiiilllllllliiiissss
                                     Friday, 10 AM

               _A_s_i_m_o_v'_s _S_c_i_e_n_c_e _F_i_c_t_i_o_n _M_a_g_a_z_i_n_e had various authors
          autographing at their booth as well as the authors doing regular
          autograph sessions, so I used this opportunity to get Connie
          Willis's autograph.  I hadn't brought any books with me to be
          autographed (because of the fact we would be traveling around after
          the convention), but a friend had offered to bring back stuff in his
          van, so I picked up a couple of Willis's books that I didn't have
          yet: _L_i_g_h_t _R_a_i_d (which she co-authored with Cynthia Felice) and a
          Pulphouse Short Story Paperback, "Daisy, in the Sun." Pulphouse
          Short Story Paperbacks are great for just this purpose--they are
          small, lightweight, inexpensive, and entirely suitable to ask to
          have autographed.  I told her about Jerry Pournelle in the Green
          Room (see above) and we talked about her story "Even the Queen,"
          which I predict will make the Hugo ballot next year (along with her
          novel _D_o_o_m_s_d_a_y _B_o_o_k).

             Panel: HHHHaaaavvvveeee WWWWeeee EEEEvvvveeeerrrr LLLLiiiisssstttteeeennnneeeedddd???? DDDDooooeeeessss AAAAddddmmmmoooonnnniiiittttoooorrrryyyy SSSSFFFF EEEEvvvveeeerrrr PPPPaaaayyyy OOOOffffffff????
                                     Friday, 11 AM
                   Roger MacBride Allen (moderator), Michael Kandel,
                            James Morrow, Richard Paul Russo

               Allen (and, yes, it is "Allen" rather than "MacBride Allen")
          opened the panel by saying, "Let's talk admonitions."  Russo said
          that in his writing he isn't so much trying to push a particular
          point of view as just to get people to think.  Morrow, on the other
          hand, said that he does try to affect people's opinions, but doesn't
          think he reached enough people with _T_h_i_s _I_s _t_h_e _W_a_y _t_h_e _W_o_r_l_d _E_n_d_s
          to take credit for ending the Cold War.  "However," he said, "sales











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          have dropped off, so maybe we need to start another arms race, maybe
          with China."

               Allen contended that "admonitory s-f has indeed saved the
          world, and nobody noticed," in that he believes the Cold War stayed
          cold because of all the post-holocaust fiction which was written.
          It is certainly true that such works as _O_n _t_h_e _B_e_a_c_h reached a wide
          enough audience that there is undoubtedly some truth in what he
          says.  Kandel observed that the use of parables to get a message
          across was not exactly new.  As for how closely fiction and reality
          match up, Allen observed, "One of the differences between fiction
          and life is that fiction makes sense."

               The question of whether all this (the end of the Cold War, an
          interest in saving the environment, etc.) would have happened
          _w_i_t_h_o_u_t admonitory science fiction was touched on, but of course
          there is no real way to tell.

               At this point Allen asked the audience to list some books that
          changed their lives ("Testify!").  Everyone agreed that everything
          they read shaped their thoughts somehow, but books listed as
          effecting a major change included the Bible (of course), James
          Blish's _T_o_r_r_e_n_t _o_f _F_a_c_e_s, Harry Harrison's _M_a_k_e _R_o_o_m! _M_a_k_e _R_o_o_m!,
          Robert Heinlein's _P_o_d_k_a_y_n_e _o_f _M_a_r_s, Joseph Heller's _C_a_t_c_h-_2_2, George
          Orwell's _A_n_i_m_a_l _F_a_r_m and _1_9_8_4, Ayn Rand's _A_t_l_a_s _S_h_r_u_g_g_e_d, Philip
          Wylie's _E_n_d _o_f _t_h_e _D_r_e_a_m, and Dr. Seuss's _L_o_r_a_x.

               Morrow cautioned the audience that a lot of these books are
          negative (dystopias) and "it's too easy to be a nihilist."  That's a
          terrible message to send the next generation, he said.  A lot of
          things enter our folklore from books, and sometimes we aren't even
          aware of them.  Fans have a folklore that says we are smart and
          mundanes are stupid, and believing this can cause a lot of problems.

               (At the beginning of the panel, when everyone was introducing
          him or herself and talking about his or her latest books, someone on
          the panel--I don't think it was Morrow himself--described Morrow's
          book _O_n_l_y _B_e_g_o_t_t_e_n _D_a_u_g_h_t_e_r as "the sequel to the New Testament,
          completing the trilogy."  I guess he wasn't counting the Apocrypha.
          Oh, and by the way, in connection with a previous Usenet discussion,
          Morrow describes _C_i_t_y _o_f _T_r_u_t_h as a dystopia and a nightmare city,
          so to whomever it was who said they thought he was saying in that
          book that the unvarnished truth was a positive thing, I offer this
          as fairly strong opposing evidence.)


















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                          Panel: MMMMeeeeddddiiiiaaaa SSSSFFFF ffffoooorrrr tttthhhheeee LLLLiiiitttteeeerrrraaaarrrryyyy FFFFaaaannnn
                                    Friday, 12 noon
                  Gail Bennett, Evelyn C. Leeper (moderator), Jim Mann

               We started by defining media science fiction to include film,
          television, radio, and the theater, and then proceeded to ignore
          totally the last two.  Oh, well.

               We also defined the "literary fan" as someone who is primarily
          a reader; a more precise definition than that could not be achieved.
          We also agreed that we did not want to have this turn into "media-
          fan bashing"--all too often this sort of discussion becomes the
          media fans versus the literary fans.  One reason that media science
          fiction is criticized by "literary fans" is that there is much less
          produced in the way of movies and television shows each year than in
          books, so when it comes time to list good works of the previous year
          (e.g., for the Hugo nominations), it is much easier to come up with
          five worthy books than five worthy movies, and any list of
          recommended works for a particular year will be book-heavy and
          movie-light.

               I asked the panel to start with some general statements about
          what type of media science fiction the literary fan looks for, since
          I knew that soon enough it would devolve to a listing of movies and
          television shows.  While I suggested that to be appealing to the
          literary fan, a piece had to have more than just special effects,
          someone pointed out that authors use visual effects also: for
          example, Homer's description of Achilles's shield.  Still, a film
          such as _D_e_a_t_h _B_e_c_o_m_e_s _H_e_r, which has nothing going for it _e_x_c_e_p_t its
          visual effects, is unlikely to appeal to a fan looking for more
          literary qualities.

               Eventually, of course, we ended up with a list of
          recommendations, including _B_l_a_d_e_r_u_n_n_e_r, _C_a_r_r_i_e, the HBO version of
          _C_a_s_t _a _D_e_a_d_l_y _S_p_e_l_l, the BBC version of _D_a_y _o_f _t_h_e _T_r_i_f_f_i_d_s, _T_h_e
          _D_u_n_w_i_c_h _H_o_r_r_o_r, the PBS version of _F_o_o_l'_s _F_i_r_e, the BBC version of
          _T_h_e _I_n_v_i_s_i_b_l_e _M_a_n, _K_a_f_k_a, the PBS version of _T_h_e _L_a_t_h_e _o_f _H_e_a_v_e_n,
          _N_a_k_e_d _L_u_n_c_h, Peter Greenaway's _P_r_o_s_p_e_r_o'_s _B_o_o_k_s, _S_o_y_l_e_n_t _G_r_e_e_n,
          _V_i_l_l_a_g_e _o_f _t_h_e _D_a_m_n_e_d, and various episodes of _D_r. _W_h_o, _T_h_e _O_u_t_e_r
          _L_i_m_i_t_s, _R_a_y _B_r_a_d_b_u_r_y _T_h_e_a_t_e_r, _S_t_a_r _T_r_e_k, and _T_w_i_l_i_g_h_t _Z_o_n_e.  It
          should be noted that most of what was mentioned were adaptations of
          written science fiction or fantasy, with the exception of many of
          the television shows.  Someone suggested that one reason so many
          television shows and made-for-television movies showed up on this
          list was that television can have a more leisurely pace than films.
          I'm not sure I agree with this.  If someone pays their $7.50 in a
          theater, s/he are likely to stay for the whole film, but on
          television, if a show doesn't grab them in the first fifteen minutes
          or so, s/he will often just change the channel.













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                               Autographing: PPPPaaaatttt CCCCaaaaddddiiiiggggaaaannnn
                                    Friday, 1:30 PM

               The autographing table was in one corner of the exhibit area,
          and conveniently located near the dealers room.  Again, I hadn't
          brought any books with me to be autographed, but I picked up a
          couple of her books in the dealers room that I didn't have yet:
          _L_e_t_t_e_r_s _f_r_o_m _H_o_m_e and a Pulphouse Short Story Paperback, "My
          Brother's Keeper."  Cadigan found it a bit odd that I asked her to
          inscribe _L_e_t_t_e_r_s _f_r_o_m _H_o_m_e, a book of feminist stories, to both Mark
          and myself, but that's how we do things.

                            Panel: AAAAlllltttteeeerrrrnnnnaaaatttteeee HHHHiiiissssttttoooorrrryyyy SSSSttttoooorrrriiiieeeessss
                                      Friday, 3 PM
                George Alec Effinger, Michael F. Flynn, Bruce Sterling,
                      S. M. Stirling, Harry Turtledove (moderator)

               Alternate histories are popular these days--this was a large
          room and it was packed.  Then again, the title of this panel was so
          broad that it probably attracted anyone who had any interest in any
          alternate history.

               In order to narrow down the topic a bit, the panel addressed in
          particular the characteristics of a good alternate history.
          H. G. Wells's principle was cited: you're allowed to make _o_n_e
          fantastic assumption, and then everything has to follow from that.
          (No, I don't have a source to cite for that.)  In other words, a
          good alternate history should be disciplined extrapolation, with
          everything proceeding from the one change.  As someone said, there
          shouldn't be any "oh, by the way, I forgot to mention ...."  (I
          think that Turtledove's "sim" stories violate this principle; they
          assume that Ramapithecus survived in the Americas and also that the
          Asians never crossed the land bridge across the Bering Strait.)

               Writers should also keep in mind all the consequences of their
          change.  Turtledove cited a particularly egregious example in this
          regard (he didn't name it, but it was Kirk Mitchell's _P_r_o_c_u_r_a_t_o_r
          series in which Rome defeated the Germans _a_n_d Jesus was not
          crucified): in spite of the German defeat, Constantine is still born
          and becomes emperor.  Of course, Mitchell also violated Wells's
          principle by having two changes, though when Jesus not being
          crucified was mentioned, Effinger and Turtledove both said, "Jesus
          who?" reminding us that one man's alternate history change point is
          another's reality.  (Has anyone ever commented on the peculiarity of
          Turtledove, a Jew, writing about an alternate history in which
          Mohammed, the founder of Islam, instead becomes a Christian priest?)

               It's also important for authors to realize that, as Heinlein
          said, "When it's time to railroad, you railroad."  In other words,
          even those who subscribe to the "Great Man" theory of history need
          to accept that some trends or discoveries are inevitable.  If James











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          Watt hadn't perfected the steam engine when he did, someone else
          would have very soon after.  If Columbus hadn't discovered America
          for the Europeans, any one of dozens of explorers sailing around at
          the time would have done so soon after.  Now it's true that if a
          different country got to America first, things would have been
          different, but to write a story in which no one gets here misses the
          point.  On the flip side, you can't have a technological innovation
          until the underlying technology is there, so having steam engines in
          ancient Rome, before the metallurgy was developed for them, won't
          work.  (Of course, every rule has an exception: Gregory Benford's
          "Manassas, Again" seems to work as a story in spite of doing just
          this.)

               Along these lines, writers should also avoid having over-long
          survival of ancient ideas.  (Mitchell's books suffer in this regard
          as well; the form of the Roman Empire hasn't changed in 2000 years.
          This is highly unlikely, as it was undergoing change even in the era
          of Mitchell's change-point.)  As Turtledove said later, "People
          screw up so that no states are permanently successful."

               And a warning that I frequently ignore: don't dump all your
          research into the book.  Long descriptions of every detail of life
          in some time period are more likely to bore than enthrall the
          reader.  (My review of _A_l_t_e_r_n_a_t_e _K_e_n_n_e_d_y_s is a prime example of
          this; I had all the family tree information, so I included it.  But
          in my defense, at least I stuck it in an appendix.)  Connected to
          this is the idea that your change-point should not be overly
          obscure.  If it is, you have to find some way to explain it to the
          reader _g_r_a_c_e_f_u_l_l_y--and this is not easy.

               The issue of utopian versus dystopian alternate histories was
          raised.  I think this boils down to whether we are saying things
          could be better or things could be worse, and I suppose the relative
          percentages would tell us something about our state of mind.
          (Anyone out there want to do the research?)

               But why write alternate histories at all?  Well, for one thing,
          they let the author write about our world safely by letting him or
          her set it elsewhere.  Authors can now write about Germany winning
          World War II and having fascism fall fifty years later, and readers
          can construct the parallel to our own world.

               Mention of the fall of fascism (communism) led Effinger to ask
          idly, "Why is all this strange stuff happening?"  Stirling and
          Turtledove explained that it was because in 1860, Lincoln was
          elected and later died in office; in 1880, Lincoln was elected and
          later died in office; in 1900, McKinley was elected and later died
          in office; in 1920, Harding was elected and later died in office; in
          1940, Roosevelt was elected and later died in office; in 1960,
          Kennedy was elected and later died in office; but in 1980, Reagan
          was elected and shot, but did _n_o_t die in office.  Therefore, we are











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          now in a low probability track.  Flynn also mentioned Renfrew's
          model which says that power drops off by distance, and therefore
          nothing as big as the Soviet bloc could hold together much longer
          than it did.  Flynn also talked about Edward R. Dewey and Edwin
          F. Dakin's _C_y_c_l_e_s: _t_h_e _S_c_i_e_n_c_e _o_f _P_r_e_d_i_c_t_i_o_n, which in 1947
          predicted the economic cycles that in fact occurred between 1947 and
          now.  (By the way, Dewey and Dakin predict the current downturn will
          end in 2006; hang in there.  The book is still in print, if you're
          interested.)

               Each talked briefly about his own forays into alternate
          history.  Stirling mentioned that he had always wanted to write
          about slave-driven computers in Rome.  (I wonder if he's read Sean
          McMullen's "Souls in the Great Machine" in _U_n_i_v_e_r_s_e _2.) Turtledove
          said that his "Ready for the Fatherland" rapidly became more topical
          than he had expected.  He emphasized that Europeans have longer
          historical memories than us, and said that the only reason the Serbs
          are the villains now is that they have more guns--if the Croats had
          more guns, they'd be just as bad.

               The panel closed by recommending their favorite alternate
          history stories: Kingsley Amis's _T_h_e _A_l_t_e_r_a_t_i_o_n, L. Sprague DeCamp's
          _L_e_s_t _D_a_r_k_n_e_s_s _F_a_l_l, Jack Finney's _T_h_e _W_o_o_d_r_o_w _W_i_l_s_o_n _D_i_m_e, Murray
          Leinster's "Sideways in Time," Ward Moore's _B_r_i_n_g _t_h_e _J_u_b_i_l_e_e, Keith
          Roberts's _P_a_v_a_n_e, and Bob Shaw's _T_h_e _T_w_o-_T_i_m_e_r_s.

               (Someone said something about Turtledove's story in which the
          Persians defeat the Greeks, and Turtledove said that appealed only
          to crackpots.  The limited groans from the audience told who had
          read the story--"Counting Potsherds"--and got the pun, and who had
          not.)

              Panel: MMMMyyyy PPPPeeeetttt HHHHaaaatttteeee--------WWWWhhhhaaaatttt RRRReeeeaaaallllllllyyyy BBBBooootttthhhheeeerrrrssss MMMMeeee AAAAbbbboooouuuutttt SSSSoooommmmeeee BBBBooooooookkkkssss
                                      Friday, 4 PM
            Lisa Barnett, Algis Budrys, Jim Frenkel (moderator), Nancy Kress

               As might be expected from the title, this panel ranged all over
          the map, from the minor to the major.  First, I'll give the list
          that each panelist provided as their "opening statement," then I'll
          go on to the discussion that followed.

               Barnett hates the use of gay characters as symbolic of
          decadence or a decadent society, the implication (or statement) that
          fantasy is inferior to science fiction, and the use of internally
          inconsistent magical systems.  Kress hates science fiction or
          fantasy that is too easy and the same old stuff; in particular, she
          hates finishing a book and feeling, "I haven't been made to think or
          feel ....  I haven't been challenged ...." She also hates child
          characters who conveniently nap or otherwise disappear when it is
          necessary for the plot ("When you wake up on the hillside and become
          queen, this is the day your fourteen-year-old daughter will want to











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          know about contraception"), and intelligent cats (she has two and
          claims they are the stupidest animals she has ever seen).  Budrys
          hates most fantasy because it _i_s too easy, made-up words for things
          that already exist on Earth, and stories that start with someone
          waking up in white room with no memory (Kress observed she had in
          fact written one of these, "Martin, on a Wednesday"), and (in
          response to Kress's comments on convenient child characters) any
          stories with children ("they're always unreadable").  He also said
          that he hates science fiction being considered a genre because it is
          a broader field than non-science-fiction since it can talk about
          anything.  Frenkel hates little furry aliens for cuteness's sake
          alone, generic stories ("all bare plotlines sound stupid"), science
          and technology that doesn't make sense (i.e., there are no rules, or
          the rules are broken), and multiple suns or moons for no reason.

               Sexual sins rated high on everyone's list.  Kress hates sex
          scenes in which the woman reaches a climax after being touched
          exactly twice, and stories with Amazon warriors who behave with men
          like breasts, never worrying about pregnancy or periods or any of
          that stuff.  Barnett hates stories in which women were sexless
          except in relation to men.  Frenkel hates stories (usually by women,
          I suspect) in which all men are alike.

               Kress said that overexplaining can be a real annoyance and
          cited the following from a manuscript she saw: "Grief hung on Dave
          like an albatross, which is a large bird from a poem."  Frenkel said
          an extension of this was the explanatory lump (hundreds of words
          explaining how the society's current political system arose--imagine
          a novel set in the present which took time to explain the entire
          electoral college system as part of talking about an election).

               From the audience, Janice Eisen said that a couple of her pet
          hates were libertarian science fiction and science fiction that
          talks about how wonderful science fiction readers are (she gave
          Spider Robinson as an example of the latter).  Another audience
          member said he hates when an author assumes taste is universal, and
          gave as an example an author who wanted to portray a character as
          unattractive.  But when the author actually described the character,
          she turned out to be exactly the type this reader was attracted to!
          Another audience member said, "I hate people who expand novellas
          into novels," to which Kress responded that was precisely what she
          was doing with "Beggars in Spain."  I would like to point out,
          however, that she is expanding it by writing what happened after the
          end of the novella (i.e., the novella forms an initial segment of
          the novel), while what people usually object to is the padding out
          of the novella story with more description and extra characters to
          reach novel length.

               General peeves included running lights on spaceships, far
          futures in which men still come home from an office to a housewife,
          obligatory sex scenes, continuity errors, pointless series (I guess











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          this is a meta-hate), share-cropping, paperbacks that fall apart in
          your hands (I haven't seen this very much since Lancer went out of
          business),

               A mention of misleading covers led Nancy Kress to tell of her
          first collection.  For some reason when it arrived, it had a cover
          with a very militaristic scene on it: spaceship, guns, etc.  The
          blurb, however, talked about how Kress wrote "humanistic science
          fiction" (and was more accurate than the picture).  When Kress asked
          her agent about this, the agent claimed that she (the agent) had
          seen only a 2"x2" slide of the picture and it looked different.
          "How could it have looked different?  All it could have looked was
          smaller!"  But it was too late, and Kress feels that people who
          wanted humanistic science fiction were turned off by the cover and
          people who wanted militaristic stuff were either turned off by the
          blurb or bought it, disliked it, and never bought more of her stuff.
          Panelists pointed out that collections usually do not get covers
          made to order, but get assigned one from the stock on hand.  Budrys
          mentioned in this context the myth that collections don't sell, and
          pointed to his "Writers of the Future" books, which Kress and others
          immediately pointed out were _a_n_t_h_o_l_o_g_i_e_s, not collections.

               One of the major things I learned from this panel is that Nancy
          Kress is a delight to listen to, and I will certainly try to get to
          any panel she's on (and recommend you do so also).  I would also
          point out that her first novel, _P_r_i_n_c_e _o_f _M_o_r_n_i_n_g _B_e_l_l_s, seems at
          first a generic fantasy, but isn't.  To paraphrase Kress, it's not
          too easy and it's not the same old stuff.

                           Panel: HHHHuuuuggggoooossss ffffoooorrrr EEEElllleeeeccccttttrrrroooonnnniiiicccc FFFFaaaannnnaaaacccc????
                                      Friday, 5 PM
                     Richard Gilliam, Saul Jaffe, Evelyn C. Leeper,
                   Patrick Nielsen Hayden, Brad Templeton (moderator)

               Well, this panel in some regards was a rehash of many previous
          panels and discussions.  We did all agree from the outset, though,
          that writing was writing, whether done on paper or on phosphors, and
          so writing in electronic media should qualify one as a fan writer as
          much as writing on paper.  (An amendment to this effect was passed
          at the business meeting.)  In particular, I observed that I wrote
          100,000 words last year, of which only 2,000 appeared in traditional
          paper fanzines, and I somehow doubted that my Hugo nomination was
          for those 2,000 words alone.

               Then there was the usual business of explaining to various
          panel members (and the audience) how _S_F-_L_o_v_e_r_s _D_i_g_e_s_t was _n_o_t a
          bulletin board--it is composed of articles that are collected by
          topic, edited for spelling and grammar, and formatted for output,
          whereas a bulletin board is untreated data.  Other electronic
          fanzines are even more obviously not just "cocktail party chat"--
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          the only difference is that the editors send the subscribers the
          page layout electronically in Postscript format, and the subscribers
          print their own copies.  This was dubbed a "U-Print-It" fanzine.

               It was again pointed out that a reader can get access to Usenet
          or other electronic media for less than $100, which is less than the
          cost of many foreign fanzines which _a_r_e considered generally
          available.  (I would also report that Nick Simicich volunteered to
          print up and mail out _S_F-_L_o_v_e_r_s _D_i_g_e_s_t to anyone who pays for the
          printing and postage, thereby making it generally available.  We
          even recorded this offer on videotape.  Now all the committee has to
          do is decide what the circulation of it is!)

               I noted out that if some electronic fanzine was not generally
          available, then it wouldn't get nominated.  If an electronic fanzine
          got enough votes to get nominated, then it was certainly as
          available as the paper fanzines that got nominated as well.  I have
          always found it amusing that the two arguments given against
          allowing electronic fanzines to be eligible are 1) they aren't
          generally available, and 2) they would get so many nominations they
          would squeeze out the paper fanzines.  Excuse me?

               Nielsen Hayden said that changing the WSFS Constitution was
          hard, because there was a lot of inertia built in, but on the whole
          this was probably a good thing.

               I suggested the somewhat radical (though not original with me)
          idea that fan Hugos weren't quite "real" Hugos anyway, and maybe
          should be broken off, at which point the number of categories could
          be expanded.  (No one really wants to increase the number of Hugos
          and lengthen the ceremony to longer than it is now.  On the other
          hand, I said that eventually all of First Fandom will be dead--as
          will we all eventually--and so the Hugo Awards ceremony will be
          shorter by the amount of time those awards take now.)  I can't help
          but feel that my Hugo nomination is not as important as one of the
          professional fiction category nominations, and wonder how those
          authors feel about having people like me having the same status as
          they (in some sense).

               I also noted that the current attitude on the part of many fans
          against electronic fanzines would also rule out allowing fanzines on
          audio tape ("Fred's Fanzine for the Blind"), although Nielsen Hayden
          thought that any such entry would be immediately ruled eligible by
          the committee.

               In short, progress seems to be being made.  I think Nielsen
          Hayden started out by being somewhat opposed to Hugos for electronic
          fanzines but changed his mind when Saul and I explained what exactly
          we meant by electronic fanzines.  This seems to be the major
          misunderstanding and perhaps I should start carrying around a copy
          of _Q_u_a_n_t_a as an example for these discussions.











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                                         Dinner

               Normally, dinner doesn't rate a paragraph in a con report, but
          this was unusual.  There were nine of us who got together and
          decided to try the Ming Court, since it was 1) near and 2)
          recommended.  As we started to leave the hotel room, I suggested
          that calling ahead to see how long the wait would be might be a good
          idea.  Good thing we did.  It was now 6:15 PM and they said they
          could seat us about 8:30 PM.  Oh, well, thanks, but I don't think
          so.  Well, they countered, when did you want to eat?  Right now, I
          said, about 6:45 PM (allowing for walking time).  "Let me check."
          After about a minute, she returned.  We can seat you now, but only
          if you promise to be out by 8 PM, because we've promised that table
          for 8 PM.  No problem!  So we rushed off, arrived there, and were
          seated in a private banquet room at one of the tables.  They
          obviously had a large party coming in at 8 PM, and the maitre d'
          reiterated that we _m_u_s_t be out by 8 PM.  We assured him that if he
          served us fast, we'd eat fast.  So we had three waiters just for us,
          and in fact ordered and ate so quickly that we were done with the
          main course by 7:15 PM and had more time for dessert than we had
          taken for dinner.  We were out by 7:40 PM, leaving them plenty of
          time to clear our table and re-set it.  Strange, but definitely
          efficient!


                                     (End of Part 1)