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                        Mt. Holz Science Fiction Society
                    Club Notice - 10/8/93 -- Vol. 12, No. 15


       MEETINGS UPCOMING:

       Unless otherwise stated, all meetings are in Holmdel 4N-509
            Wednesdays at noon.

         _D_A_T_E                    _T_O_P_I_C

       10/27  THE MOON IS A HARSH MISTRESS by Robert A. Heinlein (Classic SF)
       11/17  BRIAR ROSE by Jane Yolen (Nebula Nominee)
       12/08  STAND ON ZANZIBAR by John Brunner (Classic SF)
       01/05  A MILLION OPEN DOORS by John Barnes (Nebula Nominee)
       01/26  Bookswap
       02/16  Demo of Electronic Hugo and Nebula Anthology (MT)

       Outside events:
       The Science Fiction Association of Bergen County meets on the second
       Saturday of every month in Upper Saddle River; call 201-933-2724 for
       details.  The New Jersey Science Fiction Society meets on the third
       Saturday of every month in Belleville; call 201-432-5965 for details.

       HO Chair:     John Jetzt        MT 2G-432  908-957-5087 holly!jetzt
       LZ Chair:     Rob Mitchell      HO 1C-523  908-834-1267 holly!jrrt
       MT Chair:     Mark Leeper       MT 3D-441  908-957-5619 mtgzfs3!leeper
       HO Librarian: Nick Sauer        HO 4F-427  908-949-7076 homxc!11366ns
       LZ Librarian: Lance Larsen      LZ 3L-312  908-576-3346 quartet!lfl
       MT Librarian: Mark Leeper       MT 3D-441  908-957-5619 mtgzfs3!leeper
       Factotum:     Evelyn Leeper     MT 1F-329  908-957-2070 mtgpfs1!ecl
       All material copyright by author unless otherwise noted.

       1. Well, the time has come to start  forming  some  opinions  about
       Bill  Clinton as President.  That's for those of us who wanted some
       serious data on how he was doing rather than just guessing from his
       record.  I mean, you never really know ahead of time how someone is
       going to react to knowing he is suddenly the most  powerful  person
       in  the  world.   Clinton  said  in the campaign he would not raise
       taxes on the middle class, but  did  anyone  really  believe  that?
       Clinton's  attitude  toward  his  campaign promises is no better or
       worse than any other President.  That is, if you  tell  an  obvious
       lie,  it isn't a lie.  You know, like "the check is in the mail" or
       "of course I don't think your hair looks silly that way" or  "sure,
       I  don't  mind  if  you  borrow  that  book."  It's like Jack Benny











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       claiming to be 39, or like telling a kid that a bunny is  going  to
       come and leave colorful eggs, or like saying that we can reduce the
       deficit without raising taxes.  These are all silly fantasies  that
       by  mutual  consent  nobody  believes.   But Clinton said it with a
       straight face and it is a pleasant fantasy.  And the  face  telling
       us  was so earnest and young!  I believe in an orderly universe and
       that all Presidents have the same number of square inches on  their
       faces.   What  sets Clinton apart from his last two predecessors is
       that the two Republicans' skin had accordioned  into  the  crevices
       and  wrinkles.   That really means old age in a President like they
       do in anyone else--but for our own comfort  we  call  the  wrinkles
       "character" in a face.  Somehow Clinton lacks that character in his
       face and we all know that the reason is that under all that skin he
       still  has  something  keeping  his  face inflated so that he looks
       young and enthusiastic, but denying him the character of  wrinkles.
       I guess it's like inflating a balloon.  His face really looks a lot
       like a kid from your third grade class and when he purses his  lips
       to  talk  about  the economy you expect to see a big pink bubble of
       gum come out of that mouth.

       Incidentally, the rule that presidents' heads  all  have  the  same
       surface  area  applies  to  surface  area  of  all  but  the  ears.
       Otherwise Lyndon Baines Johnson would quickly  disprove  the  rule.
       If  you upholstered LBJ's head with as much flesh as Clinton's head
       has, when you were done with the ears you would  have  only  enough
       left to cover a skull the size of a medium Golden Delicious apple.

       Well, I started talking about the budget but I haven't gotten  very
       far so I will have to continue next time.


       ===================================================================

       2.  Starting in this issue is our ConFrancisco  convention  report,
       which will run in the next four issues as well.  [-ecl]


                                          Mark Leeper
                                          MT 3D-441 908-957-5619
                                          leeper@mtgzfs3.att.com



            I love mankind; it's people I can't stand.
                                          -- Charles Schultz





















                                ConFrancisco 1993
                          Con report by Evelyn C. Leeper
                         Copyright 1993 Evelyn C. Leeper


                                   (Part 1 of 5)

            [Mark has offered to write up some of the panels that he
       attended that I missed, so this is actually a joint report.  The
       panels that he wrote up are labeled as such.]

            ConFrancisco, the 1993 World Science Fiction Convention, and
       the 51st World Science Fiction Convention, was held September 2
       through September 6 in San Francisco, California.  The attendance
       was calculated as 7642.  Being that San Francisco is harder to get
       to from Europe than East Coast conventions, there were fewer
       Europeans in evidence than usual.

            We had arrived in California about a week before the
       convention, spending the time visiting with Mark's parents and
       traveling up to the northern California coast around Mendocino.  We
       took the train up from the peninsula Thursday morning and checked
       into the Nikko, our hotel, which was about a fifteen-minute walk
       from the Moscone Convention Center.  Kate had already checked in and
       left us a note saying she was going over to register.

                                    Facilities

            The convention facilities were on the whole excellent.  The
       rooms for the panels were right outside the large "concourse" where
       the dealers room, the art show, the exhibits, and so on were being
       held.  This made dropping into the dealers room or checking the
       message board between panels a real possibility (although the
       message board seemed less utilized than at previous conventions--
       people I knew where there never checked in, and so on).  However,
       the films were in the Nikko and the masquerade and Hugo ceremony
       were in the other section of the convention center, across the
       street.  The latter was far too small--set up with sufficient
       backstage area, there was seating for only 2000 people.  This meant
       enormous lines for the masquerade and many people turned away, with
       the result that a lot of people didn't even try to make it into the
       Hugo ceremony.  I don't know what attendance they were expecting if
       they thought 2000 seats would be sufficient.  Even worse, it was
       flat seating, as opposed to ramped theater style, so people in the
       back couldn't see anything.  I know, because we ended up in the back
       for the masquerade.  (There was VIP seating for Hugo nominees, but
       having stood in line with our friends, it seemed crash to dump them.
       We did move up during the intermission though.)  For the Hugo
       ceremony, we had front-row seats, but I had to write 110,000 words
       last year to get them. :-)  The parties and Con Suite (open only in












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       the evnings) were in the Parc 55, which was right across the street
       from the Nikko--convenient for us, but not for people in the ANA,
       the main hotel right near the convention center.

            The restaurant situation was infinitely better than last year:
       loads of restaurants within walking distance, including more
       Japanese restaurants than I've ever seen in one location.  We went
       to a Cambodian restaurant the first night by car (the Angkor Wat),
       but after that made do with the sushi places and other restaurants
       between the Nikko and the convention center.  The one problem was
       getting breakfast on Sunday and Monday--many of the breakfast places
       in the area cater to the business crowd and were closed.

                         Registration and All That Stuff

            Registration was incredibly slow.  We arrived at 11:15 AM
       Thursday and it took an hour.  Kate arrived about 10 AM and it took
       her an hour and a half.  One problem was that the materials didn't
       arrive until late Wednesday night, making a practice run-through
       with staff impossible.  They could have used more stations, and I
       would strongly suggest that future conventions have the materials on
       hand by Tuesday morning, with early registration on Wednesday
       afternoon and evening to ease the crush.  Also, the signs indicating
       the alphabet range from each station should be between six and ten
       feet off the floor, not resting on the floor, where they can't be
       seen through the crowds.

            Another problem was that after registering, we had to get in
       another line to pick up the souvenir books and other free books.
       This was equally long, and someone came by saying people we should
       leave the line and come back later--there was plenty of stuff and
       more was being brought in constantly.  Silly us, we believed him.
       The result was that by the time we went back to pick up our stuff
       (later in the day), they were already out of the free copies of
       Connie Willis's _D_o_o_m_s_d_a_y _B_o_o_k.  Second strong suggestion: before you
       say there will be plenty of X later, make sure that's true.  (Third,
       mild suggestion: make badges available with a choice of pins or
       clips--it's very hard to clip a badge onto a T-shirt.)

            There was also a third line, albeit a short one, for picking up
       program participant material.  At that point I also got what was
       labeled my "Hugo nominee pin," which turned out to be a square of
       silver with black paint on it forming a rocket silhouette.  The
       paint flaked off when I peeled the backing out to attach it to my
       badge.  It turned out that these were merely temporary: the real
       rocket pins were very similar to previous years' (though lacking the
       year engraved on them), and had been delayed when the luggage they
       were in was misdirected on the way from Russia!














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            For the first time at any Worldcon I have been to (and that's a
       lot), the newsletters were almost always on time, and never more
       than an hour late.  The main drop-off point always had a complete
       supply of all newsletters.

            As always, there were lots of flyers on the freebie tables, and
       free issues of _A_n_a_l_o_g and _A_s_i_m_o_v'_s were being handed out.  The usual
       movie buttons were also there.  There must have been a sufficient
       supply; there were still some on Monday.

                                  Program Books

            The Pocket Program was universally acclaimed as once of the
       best ever.  It was a 4-inch by 6-inch spiral-bound booklet
       containing the complete schedule (with descriptions--something which
       had been missing for the last three years), daily grids, convention
       center and hotel maps, restaurant listings, and just about
       everything else.  (It did take a somewhat larger pocket than some
       other "pocket programs," though.)  The one thing missing (and handed
       out separately) was the index by participant.  As before, I had
       pulled a copy off the Net before the convention (and in fact had
       printed up a customized program for me of what I wanted to see, and
       gave a copy to Mark so he could find me), but I still found the
       Pocket Program useful.  The Net copy wasn't posted until only
       thirty-six hours before Mark and I were leaving, which meant we had
       to scramble to print up customized versions.  Suggestion to future
       conventions: post the schedule at least two weeks before the
       convention, because many people will go early to spend some vacation
       time in the area.  The schedule is firmed up by then, because
       program participants have to know what their schedules are.

            The Souvenir Book went back to its traditional format of essays
       and information, with no fiction such as was included last year.

                                    Green Room

            The Green Room seemed well laid out, with sufficient coffee and
       sodas.  (I didn't spend much time there.)  There were schedules
       available and it was right across from Program Operations, where one
       picked up the name cards for the panels.  My major complaint again
       would be with the participants, who showed a distressing tendency
       _n_o_t to show up before the panels in the Green Room as requested,
       making any pre-planning of introductions, topics, etc., impossible.

                                   Dealers Room

            As usual, the Dealers Room (a.k.a., the Hucksters Room) was
       very large, and seemed to have more books than last year (though
       it's hard to tell).  However, I had made myself a promise not to buy
       a ton of books which I would have to carry back and having bought a
       few at used book stores before the convention, only bought two or
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            One interesting side-note: NESFA was selling its Cordwainer
       Smith collection, _T_h_e _R_e_d_i_s_c_o_v_e_r_y _o_f _M_a_n (edited by James Mann).
       The rights to one of the stories in it had originally been sold to
       Harlan Ellison for the (infamous) _L_a_s_t _D_a_n_g_e_r_o_u_s _V_i_s_i_o_n_s anthology.
       When Ellison heard they were selling it, he claimed he owned the
       rights to that story and apparently threatened to go over to the
       table and punch the first NESFA person he saw there for stealing a
       story they had no right to.  What I heard later from NESFA was that
       Ellison thought he had bought the rights in perpetuity, but had
       actually bought them for a ten-year period, with an option to renew
       for five more (which he didn't pick up), and that this was twenty
       years ago.  The net result of all this, however, was that everyone
       who was at Ellison's panel rushed over to the dealers room and
       bought a copy, and NESFA ended up selling out their entire at-the-
       con stock and taking orders to ship a whole lot more.

                                     Art Show

            I didn't get to see very much of the art show.  Had I realized
       that the staff was not requiring that people check their bags, I
       might have tried to fit in some short trips between panels, but I
       was so used to having a visit to the art show take a minimum of ten
       minutes just for checking and un-checking bags that I never even
       tried.  I did see a bit of it, especially the Hugo nominees exhibit.
       A friend commended them on their computerized purchase procedure,
       but wished that there was a way to pick up purchased artwork before
       10 AM Monday, since her flight was not much after that.  (There was
       someone there a little bit earlier, but there was no scheduled time
       to pick up artwork earlier.)  Also, art show close-out was only an
       hour before the Hugo ceremony, and given the lines (see below), that
       meant people bidding on artwork had to sacrifice any chance of
       getting a decent seat at the ceremony.

                                   Programming

            There were 492 program items listed (not counting readings and
       autograph sessions).  MagiCon had 420 program items, Chicon V had
       520 program items, ConFiction 337, and Noreascon 3 833 (all not
       counting films or autograph sessions).  I have no idea how many
       videos and films there were: due to family problems, the head of
       media programming had to withdraw shortly before the convention and
       the schedule was totally changed as the convention had to start from
       scratch at that point.  (John L. Flynn came through with what must
       have been only hours notice with a series of lectures to go with the
       "Dracula" film festival that was shown one day.)  There were also 33
       autograph sessions and 29 readings.  Once again, there were a _l_o_t of
       panels at this convention of interest to me, and I ended up with no
       time for lunch (and occasionally no time for dinner!).

            Given that it's impossible to see everything at a Worldcon, I
       will cover just the programming I attended.  However, Mark has











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       graciously agreed to write up some of the panels he attended, and
       these are included as well (and labeled as his).

                           Panel: MMMMaaaaiiiinnnnssssttttrrrreeeeaaaammmm////SSSSlllliiiippppssssttttrrrreeeeaaaammmm
                                Thursday, 3:00 PM
                         Jonathan Lethem, Mark V. Ziesing

            "'Mainstream' fiction hovering on our borders":  Ziesing began
       by saying that he thought the New Wave was slipstream; Lethem gave
       only the example of Steve Ericson (_A_r_c _d'_X and others).  Other
       examples were Paul Auster (who wrote _T_h_e _M_u_s_i_c _o_f _C_h_a_n_c_e, the film
       of which coincidentally we saw Monday after the convention ended),
       Anthony Burgess (_A _C_l_o_c_k_w_o_r_k _O_r_a_n_g_e--though this is more into the
       science fiction area--and others), Jonathan Carroll (_O_u_t_s_i_d_e _t_h_e _D_o_g
       _M_u_s_e_u_m and others), Jim Dodge (whom I couldn't find in _B_o_o_k_s _i_n
       _P_r_i_n_t), Thomas Palmer (who someone claimed wrote _D_r_e_a_m _S_c_i_e_n_c_e, but
       I could find neither the author nor the title in _B_o_o_k_s _i_n _P_r_i_n_t),
       Thomas Pynchon (_G_r_a_v_i_t_y'_s _R_a_i_n_b_o_w and others), Lewis Shiner
       (_G_l_i_m_p_s_e_s and others), and Jonathan Lethem's own upcoming _G_u_n, _w_i_t_h
       _O_c_c_a_s_i_o_n_a_l _M_u_s_i_c.  Judith Merril claimed recently that slipstream
       fiction wasn't really a new phenomenon, but that the sales potential
       for slipstream books was low and so they never really made a splash.

            In an attempt to define slipstream, one panelist said that it
       is marked by the reader's difficulty in distinguishing fantasy from
       dreams.  (Having seen _T_h_e _M_u_s_i_c _o_f _C_h_a_n_c_e, I understand what he
       meant.)

            Lethem noted that in literature, fantasy had always been the
       dominant mode, and that it was only recently that "realistic
       fiction" became the mainstream.  Borges and Kafka are examples of
       fantastic authors who are accepted as mainstream (i.e.,
       "legitimate") authors, but their work was described as mainly pre-
       genre (whatever that means).

            Another related category is non-science-fiction written by
       science fiction authors for science fiction readers.  Lucius
       Shepard's Central American stories and Bradley Denton's _B_l_a_c_k_b_u_r_n
       would probably fall into this category.

            Slipstream was also characterized by Ziesing as being used by
       "aging hippies and beat-up love puppies" as a "literary rather than
       chemical way to alter their consciousness."  It tends to produce
       psychological discomfort.

            The panelists cautioned that it was a mistake to think there is
       a monolithic mainstream, about which the various genres cluster;
       even the "mainstream" is fragmented.  Unfortunately, at this point
       the panel degenerated into the usual discussion of publishing and
       marketing.












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                         Panel: SSSSttttaaaatttteeee ooooffff tttthhhheeee SSSShhhhoooorrrrtttt SSSSttttoooorrrryyyy
                                Thursday, 4:00 PM
         Maya Kaathryn Bohnhoff, James Brunet, Scott Edelman, Rick Wilber

            "How does this form fare in science fiction and fantasy
       magazines and books, and in the rest of the literary world":
       Edelman began by saying that in his opinion, short fiction is where
       everything important happens first--it is the cutting edge.  Other
       panelists felt that this might be connected to the fact that short
       fiction gives the author more immediate feedback or gratification.
       While a novel could take a year or more to write, a short story can
       be written in a much shorter length of time.  So writers are willing
       to make the investment in experimenting in the shorter forms.  In
       addition, there are more markets for short fiction now than there
       were ten years ago.  This does not mean it's easy to break into the
       market, but it is easier than before.

            Because it is true that short fiction is not as profitable as
       novels, many people seem to feel that authors "graduate" from short
       fiction to novels.  (See the introduction to Karen Joy Fowler's
       collection _A_r_t_i_f_i_c_i_a_l _T_h_i_n_g_s for a description of this phenomenon:
       she says she prefers short fiction and even got a reputation as "the
       person who wouldn't write a novel for Bantam.")  Wilber also thought
       that short stories were not only "a good place to get started,
       but ... also a good place to be."  And Harlan Ellison, one of the
       most respected writers in the field, has never written a science
       fiction novel (though he has written a couple of non-science-fiction
       novels).

            One problem with short fiction is that magazines have a
       definite shelf life.  Stories may be popular, but after their month
       or two is up, they become impossible to find.  While anthologies
       have a longer lifetime, they are less predictable or reliable.  As
       Brunet put it, "The anthology is the hot date; the magazine is a
       long-term relationship."  It is true that inclusion in one of the
       "Year's Best" anthologies will probably assure a story of being
       available for at least a couple of years, but original anthologies
       are trickier.

            The panelists pointed out, however, that science fiction
       magazines at least have a readership.  Literary magazines stay alive
       because of the pressures of academia: they provide a place to
       "publish" instead of "perish" for professors, and they are pretty
       much required reading for other professors.  Science fiction
       magazines, on the other hand, stay alive because people _w_a_n_t to read
       them.  The opinion was expressed that this might even explain some
       of the hostility toward science fiction from academia: jealousy.

            One recent phenomenon is the stand-alone novella from
       publishers such as Bantam.  Priced below the cost of a novel and
       offering readers a chance to read a "book" without committing to a











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       600-page odyssey, they are also giving authors more market for
       novellas, traditionally a hard form to place.

            Above all, though, Wilbur says, if you want to break into the
       short fiction market, "embrace rejection."  In agreement, Brunet
       said that the best experience he got for selling short fiction was
       his experience dating in his early twenties.

                    Panel: IIIInnnnttttrrrroooodddduuuuccccttttiiiioooonnnn ttttoooo CCCCoooommmmppppuuuutttteeeerrrr NNNNeeeettttwwwwoooorrrrkkkkiiiinnnngggg
                                Thursday, 5:00 PM
                    Seth Breidbart, Daniel Dern, Tom Galloway,
                        Mark L. Olson, Martha Soukup (m)

            "Discussion of the world of electronic mail and beyond--
       CompuServe, GEnie, Prodigy, BIX, the WELL and the Internet":  The
       first item of business was asking what networks audience members
       were on.  All the networks seemed to be represented except Prodigy,
       which got a bunch of loud boo's instead of hands raised.  The room
       was packed, mostly with people already networked, though there were
       a few people who had not gotten connected and were hoping to get
       some advice.

            After a brief history of computer networking (with the note
       that _S_F-_L_o_v_e_r_s _D_i_g_e_s_t was originally a secret because of the
       restricted nature of the early Internet, and went public only in
       January of 1984), discussion turned to the recent announcement that
       some cable companies were going to start providing Internet
       connections via cable (at a fairly high price compared to public
       access services, though).  The popularity of the Internet in general
       was thought by some to be leading to "death by success," to which a
       large number of people responded in chorus, "Imminent death of the
       Net predicted...."  (With every change or growth spurt, people have
       been posting to the Net predicting that this would be the cause of
       the final collapse.  Yet like that pink rabbit, it keeps on going.
       Or if you're older, like Timex, it keeps on ticking.)

            Differences between commercial networks and the Internet were
       touched on.  The commercial culture is a very top-down culture with
       rules and organization being dictated from above.  The Internet is a
       "cooperative anarchy"; everything is bottom-up.  If you want a
       connection, you just find someone already on it willing to provide
       one, as opposed to having to contact a central organization.

            The major problem--how to solve infoglut--was not addressed.

            There are so many panels on computers and networking, one
       wonders when conventions will start providing terminal rooms.















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                       Panel: TTTTooooddddaaaayyyy IIIIssss TTTToooommmmoooorrrrrrrroooowwww''''ssss YYYYeeeesssstttteeeerrrrddddaaaayyyy
                                Thursday, 6:00 PM
               Barbara Delaplace, John Hertz, Harry Turtledove (m)

            "Likely errors in future historical fiction about our era":
       The panel started by defining "today" as the period from 1945 to the
       present.  The most obvious errors, they said, would be simple
       anachronisms: pot-smoking free love in 1951 or a Beatles concert in
       1947.  Authors writing about a historical period need to throw in
       details like this to create verisimilitude--as Hertz said,
       "Verisimilitude is very tricky stuff"--but it is very easy to get it
       wrong.  Suggesting a few details allows the reader to fill in the
       rest, and authors aren't always careful about the details,
       especially if they think their audience is unfamiliar with the
       period.

            Of course, unfamiliarity may not be the case.  After all, there
       is a flood of information available for the present.  Byzantine
       history (Turtledove's specialty) requires inference from the
       documents surviving, but we are absolutely swimming in documents.
       Even with some of them unreadable due to obsolete media (such as
       music stored on eight-track tapes), there will be so much that it
       will be impossible to avoid verifiable errors with only a finite
       amount of research.

            Another error is that people forget how quickly attitudes can
       change.  This is what Mark calls the "Happy Days" Syndrome: the show
       took place in the 1950s, but everyone had the attitudes of the
       1980s.  This is also one reason that feminist Regency novels don't
       work very well.  (Hertz suggested that you think of a viewpoint as a
       geographic thing.)  It's easy to eat the food of people of another
       period and wear their clothing, but it's hard to think their
       thoughts and feel their feelings.  Turtledove warns, however, that
       you often have to tone down attitudes or the audience will be turned
       off by them.  For example, the attitude that blacks were sub-human
       was very common in earlier centuries, yet having a "hero" who
       espoused this attitude, however accurately, would not be acceptable
       to modern audiences.  Rest assured, though, that we will suffer the
       same fate or, as Turtledove put it, "Whatever you think about X will
       be considered absurd five hundred years from now," where X could be
       religion, abortion, meat-eating, or any other subject.  Yes, we
       think we have proof that our beliefs are right, but then previous
       generations also thought they had proof.  Panelists also noted that
       some facts need to be left out--they are too convenient and people
       will think you have made them up.

            One thing that Hertz felt characterizes our period as different
       that might very well seem absurd in the future is that we are as
       compulsively casual as previous cultures were formal.  Whether the
       pendulum will swing completely back is not clear, but he feels that
       some return to formality will occur, and we will look absurd to











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       future readers.

            On the other hand, novels written about their own period can
       often skip important details that would be obvious to those of the
       author's time, but completely lost on an audience a hundred years
       later.    As one panelist said, he could tell when reading a Jane
       Austen that _s_o_m_e_t_h_i_n_g important was going on, but he didn't have the
       knowledge of the period to figure out what.  Writers writing obout
       earlier historical periods have to give the reader enough to
       understand what is happening.  Georgette Heyer is supposedly good at
       this.

            Turtledove observed that writing about the past was dangerous
       because "you have more excuse for making mistakes about the future
       than about the past."  Even so, some literary license is permitted
       since "historians deal with facts, novelists deal with truth."

            More basic questions raised were: Will anyone care about us?
       Why do we do the strange things we do?  What are the future
       stereotypes of our age?  These were not answered, but the last one
       brought about the observation that an era of history is only noticed
       after it is over.  (As Kim Stanley Robinson noted in his lecture on
       Postmodernism people didn't sit around in Europe and say, "Well,
       last year was the Dark Ages, but now is the Renaissance.")  Someone
       compared this to the cloud in Poul Anderson's _B_r_a_i_n _W_a_v_e: you only
       realize it exists once you're out of it.

                                     PPPPaaaarrrrttttiiiieeeessss
                                Thursday, 10:00 PM

            We returned from dinner at the Angkor Wat too late for the
       opening ceremonies, so I settled for dropping in to a couple of
       parties, the MagiCon Thank You Party (where I won a water bottle in
       their free give-a-ways), and the Boston in '01 Party.  At the latter
       I discussed the various bids for 1998, none of which fills me with
       confidence.  I have heard a rumor that Atlanta might throw its hat
       into the ring for 1998 (since their 1995 convention is the NASFiC
       rather than the Worldcon, they can do this).  By the way, voters
       should realize that if Boston wins in 1998, it is ineligible in
       2001.

            I didn't really run into people I was looking for at the
       parties, but I did see several people other times of day: Lan at
       registration, Mike Ward by the elevators, and so on.  This was good,
       because I was going to be immersing myself in panels for the next
       few days and wouldn't have much chance to meet people unless they
       were going to the same panels.















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              Panel: SSSShhhhoooouuuulllldddd SSSSFFFF////FFFF SSSSttttrrrriiiivvvveeee ffffoooorrrr LLLLiiiitttteeeerrrraaaarrrryyyy RRRReeeessssppppeeeeccccttttaaaabbbbiiiilllliiiittttyyyy
                                 Friday, 10:00 AM
               Gregory Benford, David G. Hartwell, Ron Montana (m)

            "A debate over whether or not mainstream literary
       respectability is a desirable goal":  Benford began by saying that
       he was working under a disadvantage, because English was not his
       first language--he's from southern Alabama.  But he worked on
       getting rid of his accent because he realized at age 14 that people
       deduct twenty points from someone's IQ if they hear a southern
       accent.

            The panelists felt that one approach to literary respectability
       was that of Deena Brown: "Let's get science fiction back in the
       gutter where it belongs."  That seems to be the literary
       establishment's view: a proposal submitted to the National Science
       Foundation and the National Endowment of the Arts to use science
       fiction to teach science was rated high by the NSF and low by the
       NEA.  But all is not lost, Hartwell reassured us: "Science fiction
       has escalated from the respectability of pornography to the
       respectability of the average Western."  However, Hartwell, who
       teaches a science fiction course at Harvard during the summer, was
       turned down when he offered to teach one during the regular school
       year.  "Hell would freeze over before Harvard would allow science
       fiction to be taught during the regular school year," he said he was
       told (though perhaps not exactly in those words).

            Benford doesn't think respectability is worth very much,
       because it is too easy to compromise one's art to gain
       respectability, and quoted Dylan as having said, "To live outside
       the law, you must be honest."  (That's Bob Dylan, not Dylan Thomas.)
       For one thing, he thought much of the cynicism in today's mainstream
       was un-earned.  People point to today's crises, such as AIDS, as the
       reason for this cynicism, but he reminded the audience that the 1919
       influenza epidemic was much worse.

            I asked if fantasy was more acceptable than science fiction to
       the literary establishment and Hartwell said that was certainly
       true.  (This meshes with Lethem's comment yesterday on the
       "Slipstream" panel--literature was mostly fantastic for a long
       time.)

            Speaking of the limitations of writing science fiction,
       especially strictly accurate science fiction, Benford felt that a
       genre flourishes because of its restraints.  He did allow authors to
       make _o_n_e change to current science if they had to, but he himself
       tries to avoid that.  He is, for example, one of the few science
       fiction authors who won't use faster-than-light travel.

            From the audience, Maia Cowan pointed out that it was somewhat
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       written to be literary classics aren't, and books written for a
       quick buck have outlasted them.  Arthur Conan Doyle is the perfect
       example of this: he assumed his fame would rest on his historical
       novels (quick, can you name even one of them?), while his Sherlock
       Holmes (and Edward Challenger) stories were written to pay the
       bills.  And tastes in literature change.  James Fenimore Cooper's
       works used to be considered classics; today no one reads them
       (except possibly to make a movie of them--and then they make a lot
       of changes).

            Talking about best-sellers, Hartwell said that he loved Michael
       Crichton's _C_o_n_g_o, but Benford complained that Crichton, Robin Cook,
       and Stephen King use "the sizzle of science" to preach that science
       is bad for you.

            Someone asked whether anyone would ever win a Nobel Prize for
       science fiction, and were told that it had already happened (Harry
       Martinson for _A_n_i_a_r_a).  Other possibilities for the future are
       Stanislaw Lem and whichever Strugatsky brother is still alive
       (Arkady or Boris).  In other countries, science fiction is respected
       more in general.

            Benford said he wasn't sure what "literature" was: "If
       literature merely means pretty sentences, count me out."  (Someone
       noted that Ernest Hemingway is considered literature, and as the
       "Grandfather of Minimalism" was _n_o_t a purveyor of pretty sentences.)
       For the scientifically-inclined in the audience, Benford said that
       one problem is that "the literary world is dominated by the inertial
       term."

            In a side note, Benford said that one reason that John
       W. Campbell liked dictatorships so much in stories submitted to him
       was that that was how he ran his magazine.  (By the way, Benford has
       a new book out, _C_h_i_l_l_e_r, written under the pseudonym of Sterling
       Blake.  I believe it's being marketed as a techno-thriller.)

                          Lecture: PPPPoooossssttttmmmmooooddddeeeerrrrnnnniiiissssmmmm aaaannnndddd SSSSFFFF
                                 Friday, 11:00 AM
                               Kim Stanley Robinson

            Well, coming out of this I felt that I finally understood what
       Postmodernism was.

            Robinson began by saying that all the adjectives being used to
       talk about Postmodernism today used to be used to talk about science
       fiction, so it was natural that there should seem to be a
       connection.  But Postmodernism is a historical period, not a style.
       Now is different than the Modernist period, and so needs a new name.
       (Robinson described this whole process as "periodization," and noted
       that people did not suddenly say, "It's not the Dark Ages anymore;
       it's the Renaissance."  Only later did these labels get applied.)  A











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       period corresponds to a structure for feeling.  But even within a
       period there are "residual" and "emergent" aspects.  For one thing,
       he said, this allows people to dispose of anomalies easily.

            Postmodernism, as a period, follows Modernism.  Modernism, in
       turn, followed Romanticism, which was represented by Realism.
       Various aspects of Modernism included Impressionism, stream of
       consciousness, existentialism, and the architecture of Frank Lloyd
       Wright.  This is not to say everyone was Modern; rural areas were in
       most cases pre-Modern (still feudal in many ways).  But in the arts
       the basic "structure of feeling" or zeitgeist was alienation.
       People found themselves between the modern city and the rural area,
       and not really _o_f either.  Modernism was also characterized by a
       functioning avant garde and a concern with history.

            The change "point" between Modernism and Postmodernism was the
       period from 1939 to 1969.  This was the end of the old world order,
       brought about partly by World War II, and partly by the end of
       colonialism, or as Jean Paul Sartre put it, "All the natives of the
       world proclaimed that they were people."  Fragmentation is the basic
       "structure of feeling" or zeitgeist in Postmodernism.  There is a
       loss of purpose or of self.  Robinson later said that to deal with
       this loss, we have a nostalgia for tribal cultures because tribalism
       is an attempt to create social groups we can recognize and deal
       with.

            We are not fully modernized, Robinson said.  (I might dispute
       this, having seen rural farms in  China.  Actually, Robinson did
       later qualify this by saying there were still unmodernized areas.
       But communication has changed a lot of that.  When we were trekking
       in northern Thailand a couple of years ago, our guide turned out to
       be a Bon Jovi fan and to play in a heavy metal group.)  Our
       architecture is learning from Las Vegas.  Robinson pointed to the
       Marriott near the convention center that looks like a 1950s jukebox.
       (This was also mentioned in the "Future and Movies" panel.)
       Architecture is now historical jumbles or melanges.  I find this
       amusing as there is a painting which shows a city with just such a
       jumble of styles, and it is titled "The Architect's Nightmare."
       Architecture now shows a sense of humor: in Atlanta there is a ten-
       story Gothic castle as the base of a seventy-story skyscraper, which
       is in turn topped with a cupola.

            Pop art (such as Andy Warhol's work) is another aspect of
       Postmodernism.  In fact, there is no big split between high art and
       popular art.  Movies have glossy production values, even when
       portraying Depression dives in _T_h_e _S_t_i_n_g (which Robinson said looked
       like Hollywood fern bars) or the life of migrant farm workers in _O_f
       _M_i_c_e _a_n_d _M_e_n.  New art forms arise.  Fiona Jones in Boston hired
       people to go around and make other people happy as an art form.  (It
       ended when the bank clerks she hired started giving money out to
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            This lack of division between high art and popular art means
       that science fiction is the equal of any other art; there is no
       hierarchy any more.  But this lack of division also means that to a
       Postmodernist, _R_e_a_d_e_r_s _D_i_g_e_s_t joke columns are equal to James Joyce.
       And much of the academic study of Postmodernism is horrendous
       writing and what's more, it considers itself art just as much as
       what it is discussing.  (Robinson said that just about the only
       person worth reading on this topic was Frederick Jameson
       [_P_o_s_t_m_o_d_e_r_n_i_s_m, _o_r, _t_h_e _C_u_l_t_u_r_a_l _L_o_g_i_c _o_f _L_a_t_e _C_a_p_i_t_a_l_i_s_m], though
       he was tough going.)  What's more, the criticism tends to be
       political, even if Postmodernism itself isn't.  There is also no
       avant garde, because it's impossible to shock the bourgeoisie.
       Mapplethorne is not avant garde so much as nostalgia for the avant
       garde.

            Now, consider science fiction in the 1970s.  It had shallow
       characters, a distortion of time and space, and so on.  In fact, it
       looked like an emergent Postmodern art form, especially since art
       forms can go through periods vary quickly to catch up with the
       prevailing feeling.  Elvis was Romanticist/Realist, the Beatles were
       Modernist, and Madonna is Postmodernist.  In science fiction, John
       W. Campbell pushed realism, the New Wave pushed Modernism (with John
       Brunner's _S_t_a_n_d _o_n _Z_a_n_z_i_b_a_r modeled after John Dos Passos and Brian
       Aldiss's _B_a_r_e_f_o_o_t _i_n _t_h_e _H_e_a_d modeled after James Joyce), and now we
       have Postmodernism.  From the outside science fiction looked like an
       emergent form; from inside, it appeared to be an accelerated form.
       In science fiction art we have gone from the 1950s and Richard
       Powers's Modernist art to Realist art.  Or is it just Postmodern
       glossy?  Sometimes it's hard to tell.

            Science fiction is an intermediate form between high and low
       art.  (The nostalgia for the science fiction ghetto is really
       residual.)  One reason that Postmodernism is often confused with
       science fiction is that "Postmodernism" literally means "after the
       now."  "After the now" _i_s science fiction, but in this case (as in
       many others) a literal translation of the component parts of a word
       gives an incorrect meaning.

            But science fiction is really anti-Postmodernism.
       Postmodernism says that we are beyond historical styles because
       history has stopped--in other words, it takes an ahistorical view of
       the world.  It is First-World-oriented (as was noted earlier).  But
       science fiction has a sense of history proceeding into the future,
       and is _n_o_t apolitical.

            Science fiction is interested in utopianism.  As Robinson said,
       "The future is going to be different depending on what we do," a
       theme I later stressed in the panel "Turning the Wheels of If."
       (And a theme of Robinson's work in general as well.)  "The world is
       a braided science fiction novel," he added, "that we're all co-
       authoring right now."











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            The reading protocols of science fiction have to be explained
       to Postmodernists.  It may appear to be part of the "movement," but
       appearances are deceiving.

            Although cyberpunk claims to be an emergent form, Robinson
       said, we cannot predict emergent forms; they can only be recognized
       in hindsight, the same as historical periods.


                                 (End of Part 1)